A debate on the efficacy of masks

Lefty said:
Are there any that conclude wearing them is harmful?
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It's not out of the question that something that shows itself to be more protective in trials in a lab is detrimental in practice in the real world. If people feel safer they can neglect other measures which are actually more effective. Or the garment can be more protective, but disposal or removal is not.
 
JM14 said:
It does the job? I thought you said it was useless?
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I didn't, he did and he was talking about the ones in use by the public. The ones he uses are made to measure and to fit snugly with proper materials and they work fine. The ones on general sale or home made aren't and they're not.
 
Ironops said:
https://www.ucsf.edu/news/2020/06/4...s-heres-science-behind-how-face-masks-prevent

here you go

and there doesnt have to be a 'great benefit' just some benefit is surely enough in limiting a deadly disease
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This is what the anti-maskers seem to be really struggling with. They say things like it won't stop the spread of the disease. Which is absultoley right it won't. It seems it will slow down the spread though. Which is the point.

If you look at the people on here who are anti-maskers though it shouldn't surprise you. They tend to deal in extremes. Nuance and subtlety is lost on them. Saying a mask won't STOP the disease is, to their minds, the same as saying it's 0% effective. There is a middle ground which wearing a mask seems to occupy.
 
Alvez_48 said:
Ok last comment because I need to focus but...
If masks are not at all effective what is the mandate for wearing them (even if they had 0 side effects, just think about the mental health effect on many people as well as the deaf who lip read)? Watch the debate it may help you assess the effectiveness of them.
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Alvez I can't watch the whole debate but I will try to read about any mental health issues
 
I don’t know for sure whether masks help the situation or not. But if there is even a small chance they do, then it’s no great sacrifice for me to wear one. I’ve got more important things in life to be getting angry about, rather than the minor discomfort of wearing a mask for 25 minutes in a supermarket a couple of times a week.
 
SmallTown said:
This is what the anti-maskers seem to be really struggling with. They say things like it won't stop the spread of the disease. Which is absultoley right it won't. It seems it will slow down the spread though. Which is the point.

If you look at the people on here who are anti-maskers though it shouldn't surprise you. They tend to deal in extremes. Nuance and subtlety is lost on them. Saying a mask won't STOP the disease is, to their minds, the same as saying it's 0% effective. There is a middle ground which wearing a mask seems to occupy.
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Who are the anti maskers on here?

All I've seen are people who have said they wear them for various reasons?

I think some in the general population and notice I said some are saying that following mandatory mask use comes mandatory vaccine. You yourself have said on here you won't take a vaccine anytime soon. Imagine what would happen countrywide when the mandatory vaccine is rolled out. Won't be any stopping it.
 
Who, of any political weight or involved in any decision making, is saying anything about mandatory vaccination? Or even hinting at it?
It’s quite a jump to go from mandatory mask wearing to mandatory vaccinations.
 
FabioPorkpie said:
Who, of any political weight or involved in any decision making, is saying anything about mandatory vaccination? Or even hinting at it?
It’s quite a jump to go from mandatory mask wearing to mandatory vaccinations.
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Is it that much of a jump though?

Strange times we live in Bear, would you be at all surprised if it was brought in? Look at the amounts of money been thrown at it. Do you think governments around the world would spend that amount of money only for the population to turn round and go "nah your alright I don't want it".

That's like ordering a brand new Ferrari, built from scratch, drive it around for 6 months and then send it back because you can't get the golf clubs in the boot.
 
FartingGnome said:
I didn't, he did and he was talking about the ones in use by the public. The ones he uses are made to measure and to fit snugly with proper materials and they work fine. The ones on general sale or home made aren't and they're not.
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For surgical use maybe not, but they will work fine for general use by the public.
 
FabioPorkpie said:
Who, of any political weight or involved in any decision making, is saying anything about mandatory vaccination? Or even hinting at it?
It’s quite a jump to go from mandatory mask wearing to mandatory vaccinations.
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I mean not to say that's my thoughts on the matter of masks and I'm certainly not 'angry' about wearing masks but Hancock has said he hopes mandatory vaccines 'won't be necessary'.

For me it's just about debate, we've seemingly quickly got to the point where there is none allowed without a particular crowd just shouting it down like sheriff up there. That's a scary road to go down so quickly.
 
SmallTown said:
This is what the anti-maskers seem to be really struggling with. They say things like it won't stop the spread of the disease. Which is absultoley right it won't. It seems it will slow down the spread though. Which is the point.

If you look at the people on here who are anti-maskers though it shouldn't surprise you. They tend to deal in extremes. Nuance and subtlety is lost on them. Saying a mask won't STOP the disease is, to their minds, the same as saying it's 0% effective. There is a middle ground which wearing a mask seems to occupy.
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I am certainly not saying that ST, and to be honest I don't know who is. I am not anti-mask by the way, I am anti a health based decision making process that is based on poor scientific data. And here is why, it can ultimately cost lives.
 
Laughing said:
Ironops that explanation uses anecdotal evidence and says nothing about the level of benefit if any, and here's why, they can't because they have no measurable data.
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There’s plenty of data, click on any of the links in the article and it takes you to the studies

I’m not seeing you post any opposing data saying masks are useless
 
RandySavage said:
Is it that much of a jump though?

Strange times we live in Bear, would you be at all surprised if it was brought in? Look at the amounts of money been thrown at it. Do you think governments around the world would spend that amount of money only for the population to turn round and go "nah your alright I don't want it".

That's like ordering a brand new Ferrari, built from scratch, drive it around for 6 months and then send it back because you can't get the golf clubs in the boot.
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It’s Fabio, not bear.... Not sure if that was a Freudian slip and you think he and I are the same poster?
I get what you are saying regarding government desire to get the vaccine taken up and possibly you are right. I guess time will tell and ultimately, given the actions of this government it wouldn’t really surprise me if they start talking about it.
 
Alvez_48 said:
I mean not to say that's my thoughts on the matter of masks and I'm certainly not 'angry' about wearing masks but Hancock has said he hopes mandatory vaccines 'won't be necessary'.

For me it's just about debate, we've seemingly quickly got to the point where there is none allowed without a particular crowd just shouting it down like sheriff up there. That's a scary road to go down so quickly.
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It’s quite scary, that Hancock has said that. Hopefully it won’t come to that.
I agree with your point about debate. It does generally work both ways though.
 
red_harrington said:
For surgical use maybe not, but they will work fine for general use by the public.
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I would disagree. I still wear one (as I've already said) because there's always the possibility that my mate's wrong (as I've already said). But I reckon he knows more about it than I do.
 
RandySavage said:
Is it that much of a jump though?

Strange times we live in Bear, would you be at all surprised if it was brought in? Look at the amounts of money been thrown at it. Do you think governments around the world would spend that amount of money only for the population to turn round and go "nah your alright I don't want it".

That's like ordering a brand new Ferrari, built from scratch, drive it around for 6 months and then send it back because you can't get the golf clubs in the boot.
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No, I don't believe mandatory vaccination will be brought in. But only because the logistics of enforcement would be impossible and embarrassing as older folk are handcuffed and dragged to the local health centre.
 
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