We are not a well run club

We’re not a “ championship club” we have spent 60 percent of our history in the top division. Our ground is within the 20 biggest in the league and our all time support is within the 20 best clubs in the country over the course of English football, your average championship club doesn’t get the support we get only a few like us do. Stop sitting on the small plucky club fence because it’s just not true. It’s the 2nd longest time spent out the top flight in the clubs history. 1 season in 15, we had two good seasons under karanka the rest of the mangerial appointments have so far been awful. Our season in the premier league was awful relegated with a whimper. In 2020 if it wasn’t for warnock saving the day we would have been dead and buried and condemned to league one football. We were 20th/24th the majority of the season
We are a championship club.. dem the facts blud

Luton are Prem, Sheff Utd are Prem, Burnley are Prem.. etc

We are a plucky little club.. Sunderland, Bolton, Leeds have all suffered a worse fate than us and without the recent success.

Brighton are enjoying the fruits of their patience and a considered plan why can’t WE just be cool?

It’s embarrassing.. much more so than having a slight bump in the road. Boro winning is the best feeling ever, Boro losing is the worst feeling.. but let’s not turn into Doyle’s over it.. the neighbours are watching!
 
We are a championship club.. dem the facts blud

Luton are Prem, Sheff Utd are Prem, Burnley are Prem.. etc

We are a plucky little club.. Sunderland, Bolton, Leeds have all suffered a worse fate than us and without the recent success.

Brighton are enjoying the fruits of their patience and a considered plan why can’t WE just be cool?

It’s embarrassing.. much more so than having a slight bump in the road. Boro winning is the best feeling ever, Boro losing is the worst feeling.. but let’s not turn into Doyle’s over it.. the neighbours are watching!
If you say so. The fact we sell out most away days and get bigger support then pretty much all the league says differently our fans love to belittle the club and except mediocrity
 
I have always defended the club when it comes to fans expectations. Being in the PL for a bit should be cherished, being in the second tier should not be seen as failure. But there is no doubt that 1 season in (what will be, if we don’t go up) 16 seasons in the top flight would suggest a decline for the club, not just since the first half of Gibson’s reign but if measured against the club’s historical norms. (Not quite as bad as 54-74 of course).

There is very little I can do about it of course, and moaning won’t help, but it is no longer the case that we are punching at or above our weight. We’re in real danger of becoming a club that is significantly underachieving, and that is a scenario that Gibson has never really overseen before.

I accept that fans should compare performance to historical norms.

That said, the season is far from over after only 4 games.
I think maintains premier league football is not punching, finishing 7th is but we are around the 20th/25th biggest clubs in the country anything below that and we’re below our level and for majority of the last 15 year we have been
 
If you say so. The fact we sell out most away days and get bigger support then pretty much all the league says differently our fans love to belittle the club and except mediocrity
It you that’s belittling the club! Selling out our away allocation doesn’t make us a premier league club.. it just doesn’t.

We we’re the 4th best team in the championship last season.. I hope we can improve on that this season.

i am in no way accepting mediocrity.. I want our fans to be better.. much better!
 
What does it mean to be well run?
I was going to say something sarcastic here about getting the basics right.. like being able to buy a pint at half time.

There are THREE tills in the kiosks, THREE arrows indicating THREE lines.

We (the fans) form TWO queues.. idiotic!
 
The aim should be promotion what else should it be anything less after last season would be a failure, we have went backwards from last season undeniably questions should be asked. It’s the same familiar trend every season start poorly with no professionalism from the recruitment team having half a side to start the season
But wev list 4 of our best players from last season. I don’t think it’s realistic we can be better this season. I think this is a really difficult season. Which we can swallow if the foundations are there for us to be real force in this division for the next few years, and then promoted.

No chance of promotion this season. Tough pull to swallow but that it
 
What does it mean to be well run?
Yes I’ve always wondered this.

Boro, Sunderland, Charlton, Southampton, Wolves, Stoke plus I’m sure plenty of others have had this label attached to them. They were “well run” clubs, until they weren’t.

At the moment it’s Brighton and Brentford that everyone wants to be like. They are well run for now, but if they float around in mid-table for too long, fans won’t care about being “well run” anymore.

As far as I can tell being “well run” means initially establishing yourself in the PL for a few years, but before anyone can claim you’re “not progressing”.
 
But wev list 4 of our best players from last season. I don’t think it’s realistic we can be better this season. I think this is a really difficult season. Which we can swallow if the foundations are there for us to be real force in this division for the next few years, and then promoted.

No chance of promotion this season. Tough pull to swallow but that it
Who are the four?

Akpom? 28 goals
Archer? 11 goals
Ramsey? 5 goals
Giles? 11 assists*

55 goal contributions..

Morgan/Pritchard
Latte Laff/Stewart
Silvera/Willock
Engle/Miroshi

*a pass completion rate of 79%
 
Define "well run" otherwise no one can answer
Brighton?
Newcastle?
Burnley?

They will be the names.. basically a club in the premier league.. billionaire owners help.

Top 10 first season, top 6.. the second, top 4 and then top two..

Watched the Burnley documentary.. they gave Vincent Kompany EVERYTHING plus he was really cool and knew what he was talking about.

Watched the Newcastle documentary (Shearer narrating is dull af) they went for Eddie Howe and money is no object.. they are buying their way to the top. They had a meeting they pretty much said the more you spend the better you do.. spend LOTS of money.

It was a lot less thought out than Burnley I guess they don’t need to be.

We come across well under Carrick.. we can do it!
 
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I think the way we deal with transfers and contracts as room for improvement i.e. we as a club could be a bit more astute/canny. I am not saying the Club is rubbish, but quite a number of other clubs seem to able to manage their budgets and transfers in a more professional way. We also seem to live in a bit of Feast or Famine. We can suddenly go a bit wild on transfers and not buy a player for several years for a lack of funds.

Possibly the image the Club as is of quite a wealthy/free with money club, so others are less likely to offer us bargains. I also think the club has found it difficult to attract players, because the club is seen as miles from anywhere. Many players now seem to come from London and/or overseas and they want to play for a club within 100 miles of London. 60 years ago the North East and Scotland and the Northern industrial cities were the major breeding grounds for professional footballers. To overcome this I get the impression that the Club has sometimes thrown money at players to attract them, often leading to issues down the line.

Dealing with fans is variable - the community work is very good to excellent from what I know, but how they have dealt with say digital tickets has room for improvement. I think groups like Red Faction get on OK with the Club, but in the past there were some poor management of the relationship by MFC. Food and drink in the concourse again room for improvement over service levels.
 
Carling cup final 2004. V Bolton
Where are Bolton now?
Maybe we aren't so badly run after all.
Who else could run us better? Indian billionaires like Blackburn had? Saudis? What about a Moshri like Everton?
Nobody is gonna gallop in on a white horse and take us to the promised land. Gibbo and us are stuck with each other.
Home town club with hometown owner, I Am not even a Gibbo fan but UTB
 
We are a Football Club.
We should look to improve every season.

Sounds good, but it's not realistic. Every club can't improve every season. Nobody really expects us to be top of the prem in 23 years time based on us finishing 4th in the Championship last season do they?
 
We’re not a “ championship club” we have spent 60 percent of our history in the top division. Our ground is within the 20 biggest in the league and our all time support is within the 20 best clubs in the country over the course of English football, your average championship club doesn’t get the support we get only a few like us do. Stop sitting on the small plucky club fence because it’s just not true. It’s the 2nd longest time spent out the top flight in the clubs history. 1 season in 15, we had two good seasons under karanka the rest of the mangerial appointments have so far been awful. Our season in the premier league was awful relegated with a whimper. In 2020 if it wasn’t for warnock saving the day we would have been dead and buried and condemned to league one football. We were 20th/24th the majority of the season
We quite literally are a Championship club. I don't know how you can really try to claim otherwise while then simultaneously going on to point out that we've spent 14 of the last 15 seasons in the Championship and that we were nearly relegated to League One.
 
We quite literally are a Championship club. I don't know how you can really try to claim otherwise while then simultaneously going on to point out that we've spent 14 of the last 15 seasons in the Championship and that we were nearly relegated to League One.
I was on about in terms of stature I would class us as a top flight club
 
We're just not though, like it or not, your stature takes a hit when you spend 15 years in the Championship. We had our moment in the sun in the mid 90s and again, briefly, in the early 2000s but beyond that we were never a club especially high in stature and that's only taken hit after hit over the last 15 years. We are what we are, there's no shame in being a Championship club, but you just can't class yourself as a top flight club when you've been in that top flight once in 15 years.
 
Most of the players we have lost weren’t ours to begin with. That’s the point and the main point. The reason I say this is that the club has realised this and is trying to look at a different approach, or at least that’s how it seems.
I would imagine that we are trying to improve the squad with players that the club actually owns. This has to be the aim surely?
I would agree that we seem to have left things late in the transfer market, that is why we are not performing as well at present.
Most players need time to settle and this is exacerbating the issues that we are having at the moment.
I think the reason that we look to be behind (apart from losing matches) is that we are probably more cautious in our dealings that others.
You can either go all out initially and pay over the odds, not only in terms of buying the player(s) you are after but additionally the associated high wages you would end up paying.
We have certain problems that I think hinder us when trying to bring players in: We don’t have the resources that similar sized clubs have, this is when you consider the sides that have come down, the sides that we’re battling to go up last season. This is not an attractive place, let’s face it. Also, I think that on the basis of our relatively high spending previously, the money that other clubs have seen us bring in for players we have sold, the clubs we are trying to buy players from are probably trying to rinse us as much as they can, which is natural.
I’ve read some pretty crazy things on here recently, some of us suggesting that we should’ve gone all out to sign Archer, Ramsey and Giles that would’ve cost us about £40m plus in transfer fees alone, that’s without the wages, signing on fees etc.
I’d prefer we didn’t over extend in such a way, for a start, how would that look as far as the FP rules and imagine the consequences should we pay that money and stay where we are.
The players we have bought will settle, I think they look decent, plus we are trying to add to the squad.
Give it a few weeks and I think things will look very different.
Keep the faith. UTB
 
We are not a well run club, we have literally lurched from strategy to strategy, manager to manager, recruited a squad of players who are less than average roundedness for this league.

When Woodgate was manager, Gibson talked of the golden thread and we recruited for the league below. We seem to have gone full circle. No quality, no fight. This division is unforgiving. The way we concede goals is deplorable. P4 GF3 GA9 PTS1 is not just due to bad luck, it is down to a lack of real quality.

The club (and I am being kind to the owner at present) has been asleep at the wheel once more, naive in its outlook and been patting its back on last season while others have quietly recruited efficiently. Clearly Woodgates reign is back, the Ajax lite is being tried again, so far cheap potential from the lower grade football has been applied with so far, similar consequences, similar outlook and frankly similar comments from the wishful thinking fans. Reality sets in late for far too many, blind eyes and blind alleys abound. The club has days to resolve it. We are heading for a difficult year and potentially worse if we aren’t careful. No amount of hope will improve the situation. Quality recruitment is key. How many years have i banged on about shoddy recruitment since 2006? Everyone bar 2, 2015/16 and 2022/23. We have replaced quality with potential, expectation with hope.

The number of fans willing to accept mediocrity is staggering. As far as the Boro are concerned, it is like walking in the Yorkshire Dales, sheep everywhere you look, bleating on about patience, give it time, I can see the potential, baah, baah, baah.

We are a naive squad, a naive fanbase, no backbone, the second goal summed us up yesterday, asleep in plain sight. Days to wake up and smell the coffee. If someone on the inside doesn’t see it, and reading this thread is like going back to the future, we are in trouble. I am a Carrick fan, but I found his after match BBC Tees interview worrying. Howson (captain sent out) spoke in similar vein too. Clearly a message was given beforehand as the rhetoric was too similar to be coincidence. The words were chilling, I saw a different game to both. Howson at times had to stop himself laughing at his own comments. Carrick gives nothing away, but yesterday he lied. He did everything but say the league is lying at present. The season is far from over, but the club has days to find the missing pieces to the jigsaw, not months and no, accepting mediocrity is the first step toward failure and decline.
 
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