Diane Abbott

I saw someone say that it's not racism because it's a religion and not a race, not saying I disagree with it. But it's semantics really and a silly comment to make.
 
It's an unbelievable comment by Abbott. Absolute shocker. How she can leave out the holocaust and then compare racism suffered by jews to name calling red heads. Lost the plot.
 
Lost the plot years ago. Was the sand bag that stopped Labour being elected when Corbyn came close. Deliberately sabotage her own party on a regular basis. Left me thinking that Labour preferred to remain in opposition rather than govern. Long overdue action.
 
It reads like a footie message board post after the pub has shut ( not FMTTM of course - other boards are available)
 
SE4 Red said:
It's an unbelievable comment by Abbott. Absolute shocker. How she can leave out the holocaust and then compare racism suffered by jews to name calling red heads. Lost the plot.
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From what I read she was referring to in America rather than in general.
 
I don't actually think her comments have actually came from her being racist, this is probably just more being stupid on her part, but she's done a lot of that. Either way, the comments are ludicrous, it's like saying some racism is ok, but others aren't. It's good that Labour took quick and decisive action before the press went crazy over it.

Reminds me of a while back when one of the lads I knew said "I'm not voting for a party where one of the main MP's can't even find matching shoes", actually I think that might have even been on an election day. What she actually did as an MP was ok, but impressions really do matter to a lot of people. Having her on his side didn't really help Coybn much, and was never going to help Starmer, not that she was on his side mind.
 
Sexpom said:
She’s had the whip suspended for saying “Jews don’t face racism” they apparently face the same prejudices as redheads.

How this woman is even still part of the Labour Party after her gaffes during the last election campaign is beyond me. She really is thick.
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Technically and strictly speaking it’s a religious sect rather than a ‘race’ isn’t it? You can be black jewish, or Jewish of European decent. You can also be born in the bounds of Israel, of decent of the peoples from that area and consider yourself not jewish.

Saying that Abbot comparing them to redheads is a massive mistake, it makes light of the Holocaust and she should be ejected from the party for this
 
BiggEggo said:
Deliberately sabotage her own party on a regular basis.
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Hang on, lets not murky the waters on that point. Whatever else people think of Abbott we've had documented evidence of Labour staff actually deliberately sabotaging the party - i.e. leaks to journalists, delaying investigations and disciplinary procedures, hiding members funds. Abbott wasn't involved in any of that.
 
It takes some effort to win Worst Apology of the Week in the same week that Raab quit, but I think she's managed it:

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Antisemitic typos?!
 
If it was (as it appears) an unsolicited letter then she is an idiot, at best.

She has since claimed she sent the wrong draft but for something that sensitive you'd think she'd have checked and double-checked.

I regularly write responses for posts on here in notepad so that I don't post something contentious without making sure it says what I mean it to say. For an MP, who is under the most intense scrutiny at the best of times, writing to a national newspaper, I'd expect her to at least get someone in the office to give it a once-over.

It's actually fairly clear what she means in the context of the article she's responding to but the way it's written leaves more than enough room for criticism.

Labour have no choice but to remove the whip.
 
Diane Abbott spoke about her diabetes in 2017 and the episodes of befuddlement she experienced due to this condition. I have no knowledge of the extent to which she is now affected but her contributions to the public debate have been unusual for quite a while. Perhaps moving to a less demanding role would be in her best interests.
 
BiggEggo said:
Deliberately sabotage her own party on a regular basis.
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SuperStu said:
Hang on, lets not murky the waters on that point. Whatever else people think of Abbott we've had documented evidence of Labour staff actually deliberately sabotaging the party - i.e. leaks to journalists, delaying investigations and disciplinary procedures, hiding members funds. Abbott wasn't involved in any of that.
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To be fair I think you're both kind of right, but not quite sure sabotage is the right word in either case?

As for what Eggo said, I don't think she was sabotaging under Corbyn, as to sabotage something you have to intentionally damage or destroy, but the party wasn't going to and didn't win, and thus was technically already damaged, she probably made little difference either way. Does it matter if you break something which is already not working? She wasn't doing that intentionally either, she was just not up to the standard required. Sure, when the party became electable, it could be sabotage, but it would need to be intentional, and to me it just comes across more as stupid, especially due to her previous.

As for what Stu said, again, I wouldn't really count that as sabotage from your example. It's like if the coach says, "look lads, we're 5-0 down, lets just call it a day eh?", and then criticising some of the other players who go against orders and actually want to try and reverse the result by going in a different direction. Sure it's going against orders, but play to win etc. You have to crack an egg to make an omlette etc.

Sometimes "sabotage" can actually be for the right cause, but of course, there will always be disagreements over what the "right" cause actually is. It's never great going against the leader, but a good leader can control his team, and get them going in the same direction. The leader should quit when he knows it's not working or the team want to go against them.
 
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