Redka
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I agree and I don’t want to sound heartless as it is a very sad situation a but for me not a crime.
A tragic case or a deserved sentence?
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atypical_boro
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Imagine a world where there were more actual cycle paths where 77 year old ladies could stay fit, reduce emissions and ride their bikes without fear of being run over or knocked off to their deaths.
TeaCider
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The cyclist wasn't partially sighted, the woman who shouted at her was.
Laughing
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My mistake. I read the article posted too. Perhaps too quickly.
Acklam_Lad
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No winners on either side unfortunately
I am firmly of the belief that if cyclists feel safer on the pavement and they respect and give way to pedestrians then they are doing no harm
Yes I know it’s technically illegal but I’d rather see that than what’s happened here.
I am firmly of the belief that if cyclists feel safer on the pavement and they respect and give way to pedestrians then they are doing no harm
Yes I know it’s technically illegal but I’d rather see that than what’s happened here.
TeaCider
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Not sure how anybody could watch that clip and get angry at the old woman.
Aet290204
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Swore blind I wouldn’t post on here anymore but fk it.
This is near where I live, I know the road.
It was a tiny pavement along an extremely busy ring road with a constant flow of traffic.
She should have got more than 3 yrs if you ask me. But then I’m just a bigot who preaches, aren’t I? No doubt someone will come along and say I’ve got it in for people with cerebral palsy. Since you love arguing the toss.
Goodnight from Huntingdon. Xx
This is near where I live, I know the road.
It was a tiny pavement along an extremely busy ring road with a constant flow of traffic.
She should have got more than 3 yrs if you ask me. But then I’m just a bigot who preaches, aren’t I? No doubt someone will come along and say I’ve got it in for people with cerebral palsy. Since you love arguing the toss.
Goodnight from Huntingdon. Xx
Support Your Local Team
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Knew nothing about this case until now. But it's very clear to me that those two people could easily have shared that pavement. If it's a busy road then an old lady wouldn't have wanted to cycle on the road. It might not be a big pavement but it's clear in that video that if both stuck to opposite sides each then they could pass eachother without issue.
The pedestrian is clearly angry and has no intention of letting the cyclist pass at all. Whether she made physical contact is irrelevant - she made it as intimidating and difficult for the cyclist to pass as possible. She is 100% responsible for the cyclist wobbling and falling infront of the car. That is what killed her. As such, in my opinion, she allowed her anger and rage to boil over and caused the death of an innocent cyclist as a result.
The fact she has shown no remorse or care since merely secures this view for me.
The pedestrian is clearly angry and has no intention of letting the cyclist pass at all. Whether she made physical contact is irrelevant - she made it as intimidating and difficult for the cyclist to pass as possible. She is 100% responsible for the cyclist wobbling and falling infront of the car. That is what killed her. As such, in my opinion, she allowed her anger and rage to boil over and caused the death of an innocent cyclist as a result.
The fact she has shown no remorse or care since merely secures this view for me.
Redka
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The lady waving her arms is partially sighted - she was probably very surprised to see a bike coming toward her and the threat of danger exaggerated by her lack of vision.
A lot of emotional responses understandably but this will get kicked out on appeal.
newyddion
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An interesting chap with some genuine insight on the tragic news story..
I thought it was telling that the reporter was stood what looked like the centre of the pavement and a bike was able to cycle past her without causing her any trouble.
Lunging out and waving her arm was uncalled for and caused the cyclist to fall into the road. Unfortunately for all parties her unnecessary and I would say unreasonable action caused the loss of life.
dsr-burnley
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But there has to be some likelihood of causing death for it to count as manslaughter. For example, there was a case in my mother's youth of a girl who was pushed, not very hard, and she fell over and cracked her skull and died - because she had a very thin skull, as the post mortem found out. There was never any doubt that the person who pushed her caused the death. But it wasn't manslaughter because the probability of killing someone with a little push was too small to mention.
Similarly, there is no doubt that the driver's actions caused this death. If he hadn't driven his car, the cyclist wouldn't have died. But it would be nonsense to call it manslaughter just because a person died as a result of his actions.
The question is presumably to what extent the woman caused the cyclist to die by her actions, and to what extent the cyclist caused her death by her own failure to keep control. Presumably in this case the jury decided that the defendant shouting at the cyclist to get off the [expletive] pavement and waving her arms at her, made it plausible that she would kill that cyclist. Which seems like a bit of a stretch. I'm sure if she had been apologetic and had remained on the scene and been able to show (real or pretended) remorse, she would have got away with it.
Linny
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She seems to see the cyclist from a decent distance.
She walks about 6 yards from starting her abuse to the point their paths cross. You can also estimate the cyclist travels a similar distance during that period too.
The pedestrian is aggressive in her attitude towards the cyclist both verbally and physically. She purposefully makes it difficult for the cyclist to pass and waves her arms at her to make her point.
Looking at the video it seems clear the pedestrians actions are avoidable and influence the cyclists actions to veer. The pedestrians actions were completely unnecessary.
The path also doesn’t appear that narrow. There is ample space for both to pass without incident which is highlighted in the report whereby a cyclist passes the journalist with ease.
The pedestrians actions are petty, unnecessarily aggressive and influence the victims actions resulting in her death.
I’d be surprised if it gets overturned.
Ingleby_Flash
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AET, off topic completely but you‘re another I’ve had on ignore without realising it. Apologies. I don’t interact with you much, but was getting concerned I hadn’t seen you around so looked you up and, god knows how, was ignoring you. I wonder who else I’m ignoring in ignorance
Philly-Red
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It’s a tough one. Not sure if I’d have charged that… as a rider of a bike should she not have slowed stopped for the more vulnerable pedestrian?
Pedestrian Auriol Grey jailed over Huntingdon cyclist death
Auriol Grey gestured and swore at Celia Ward, who fell into the path of a car and died.www.bbc.co.uk
The video of the actual incident (bar the car collision itself) is in that link.
There's nothing graphic in the clip.
I really don't know on this one, that's a very narrow path and I wouldn't have thought it was also a cycle lane from looking at it.
The woman jailed is clearly a horrible person, so I'm not sad for her, and I feel so sorry for that old woman, but it does look more like an unfortunate accident than anything to me.
Any decent person would clearly have just made room though, whatever the nature of the path.
She's clearly not a decent person given she's unapologetic about accidentally killing somebody and went shopping straight after it happened.
newusername
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She pushed her off onto the road, the old witch should've got longer.
breakthewallsdown
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The Highway Code states this more emphatically, stating in Rule 64 that “You MUST NOT cycle on a pavement”. It also advises that cyclists “take care when passing pedestrians, especially children, older or disabled people, and allow them plenty of room”.
Jonny Ingbar
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Its a sad case, but I think it's justified.
Legally it seems she was entitled to be on the path as it was a shared cycleway just to clear that bit up.
But someone has lost their life due to another's actions and the prison sentence is in part due to to any lack guilty plea and expression of remorse - had she pleaded guilty she almost certainly wouldn't have been sent to prison.
Legally it seems she was entitled to be on the path as it was a shared cycleway just to clear that bit up.
But someone has lost their life due to another's actions and the prison sentence is in part due to to any lack guilty plea and expression of remorse - had she pleaded guilty she almost certainly wouldn't have been sent to prison.
Priv
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It is a combined cycle and footpath as well, I was reading some comments online
From locals who states it was and theirs ample space for both.
Priv
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Absolutely agree, the lack of remorse plays a huge factor in sentencing. Look at that numpty who went down last week for the sex Vid, it was stated his lack of remorse played a part in his jail time.