Shamima Begum

John67 said:
i Have to say I agree with the decision. What happens if she is allowed back and she, or those around her uses her infamy as a tool to radicalise others? Other Terror Groups could also tell those they are grooming, ‘if it all goes pear shaped they can just come home‘. So despite my misgivings, I can’t see how a UK Government can allow her back in. That goes for any returning Jihadi.
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"if it all goes pear shaped they can just come home‘

But if the government believe they are a terror threat, or have committed terrorist offences they can be charged and detained as appropriate.
Why on earth would the plan to be to try and dump them on Bangladesh and or the Kurds?

I'd imagine you'd be somewhat less approving of the same scenario if the positions were reversed.
 
The_Tiler said:
Mr Justice Jay told the semi-secret court dealing with her case that her appeal had been fully dismissed.
The Special Immigration Appeals Commission has ruled that decision, taken after ministers received national security advice about Ms Begum's threat to the UK, had been lawful.

From the BBC website. Her case has been dismissed. She still poses a threat.

Thats the courts evidence which is good enough for me.

Now, what conclusion have to come to about me, and the courts?
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I suggest you read the judgment in more detail. It says nothing of the sort.

The author of the report, Mr Justice Jay, wrote: “It is for the secretary of state to decide what is in the public interest, and how much weight to give to certain factors, subject always to this commission intervening on ordinary administrative law principles. This secretary of state, speaking through Sir James [Eadie KC], maintains that national security is a weighty factor and that it would take a very strong countervailing case to outweigh it.

“Reasonable people will profoundly disagree with the secretary of state, but that raises wider societal and political questions which it is not the role of this commission to address.”

Moreover, he noted that “the idea that Ms Begum could have conceived and organised all of this herself is not plausible”. The judges also said they were “concerned by the SyS’s [secretary of state’s] apparent downplaying of the significance of radicalisation and grooming in stating that what happened to Ms Begum is not unusual”.

In essence, the report is saying that it has insufficient evidence to rule the Secretary of State's decision to be unlawful. That is far short of an endorsement.
 
‘But if the government believe they are a terror threat, or have committed terrorist offences they can be charged’…can they? Allowing he back in and committing her to trial would be expensive and would require a weight of evidence that we may not have. However, this is not required if she is not given her UK citizens back. We then don’t risk having her being a jihadi focal point living in the UK and it might make the odd person think before heading off to join ISIS or it’s ilk. Don’t get me wrong, I detest the current Home Sec but can you imagine if atrocities were carried out in the U.K. in her name?
 
Facefuzz said:
correct decision. Country is safer. Sends a message to others contemplating going to support a terrorist organisation.
She’s tried to westernise her appearance as much as possible but they’ve seen through her beliefs.
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Why did you think the country is safer? Provide facts please not opinion

Do you really believe that someone leaving these shores to join a terrorist organisation would be worried about losing their passport? Really?

And what were you expecting her to look like? Full hijab?
 
She looks the sort who would vandalise / spray paint "important-statues-whom-gammons-have-absbolutely-no-clue-who-they-are-but-get-upset-easily". Especially with that baseball cap. Proper dodgy.
 
zzzzz said:
Why did you think the country is safer? Provide facts please not opinion

Do you really believe that someone leaving these shores to join a terrorist organisation would be worried about losing their passport? Really?

And what were you expecting her to look like? Full hijab?
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- she’s not here and not allowed back. Makes us safer by that simple fact

- I’m not sure but at-least they will know the score before they go and can’t come back whinging

- she did go full hijab to start, at the same time as saying she had no regrets. It wasn’t working so she got straight on vinted (probably after some advice from her legal team) and bought a load of Charva gear. Still hasn’t worked because you can’t change what is on the inside
 
Facefuzz said:
- she’s not here and not allowed back. Makes us safer by that simple fact

- I’m not sure but at-least they will know the score before they go and can’t come back whinging

- she did go full hijab to start, at the same time as saying she had no regrets. It wasn’t working so she got straight on vinted (probably after some advice from her legal team) and bought a load of Charva gear. Still hasn’t worked because you can’t change what is on the inside
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Makes ‘us’ safer?

She is us!
 
Facefuzz said:
- she’s not here and not allowed back. Makes us safer by that simple fact

- I’m not sure but at-least they will know the score before they go and can’t come back whinging

- she did go full hijab to start, at the same time as saying she had no regrets. It wasn’t working so she got straight on vinted (probably after some advice from her legal team) and bought a load of Charva gear. Still hasn’t worked because you can’t change what is on the inside
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Makes you a hateful prejudicial pr*ck then, based on your posts in this thread. :mad:
 
You have obviously been through a lot over the last few years. Can you describe what it has been like to live with and under the Islamic State?

At first it was nice, it was like how they showed it in the videos, like 'come, make a family together'.

Then afterwards, things got harder, you know. When we lost Raqqa we had to keep moving and moving and moving. The situation got difficult.


Was there a point when you started to have second thoughts about your life under Islamic State?

Only at the end, after my son died. I realised I had to get out for the sake of my children - for the sake of my daughter and my baby. Yeah.

Only at the end?

Yeah.

You didn't have any regrets up until that point?

No.

What was it about Islamic State that attracted you? What did you like about it?

The way they showed that you can go [to Syria] and they'll take care of you.

You can have your own family, do anything. You're living under Islamic law.

Did you know what Islamic State were doing when you left for Syria? Because they had beheaded people. There were executions.

Yeah, I knew about those things and I was okay with it. Because, you know, I started becoming religious just before I left.

From what I heard, Islamically that is all allowed. So I was okay with it.

- I am absolutely comfortable that a person with this ideology doesn’t live in the same country as me
 
Facefuzz said:
You have obviously been through a lot over the last few years. Can you describe what it has been like to live with and under the Islamic State?

At first it was nice, it was like how they showed it in the videos, like 'come, make a family together'.

Then afterwards, things got harder, you know. When we lost Raqqa we had to keep moving and moving and moving. The situation got difficult.


Was there a point when you started to have second thoughts about your life under Islamic State?

Only at the end, after my son died. I realised I had to get out for the sake of my children - for the sake of my daughter and my baby. Yeah.

Only at the end?

Yeah.

You didn't have any regrets up until that point?

No.

What was it about Islamic State that attracted you? What did you like about it?

The way they showed that you can go [to Syria] and they'll take care of you.

You can have your own family, do anything. You're living under Islamic law.

Did you know what Islamic State were doing when you left for Syria? Because they had beheaded people. There were executions.

Yeah, I knew about those things and I was okay with it. Because, you know, I started becoming religious just before I left.

From what I heard, Islamically that is all allowed. So I was okay with it.

- I am absolutely comfortable that a person with this ideology doesn’t live in the same country as me
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Do you understand the past tense?
 
Question for those in favour of her return.

Say she did come back, served a bit of time in prison (minimum or maximum security) and was eventually let out because let's face it the justice system in this country is a joke, she then goes on to facilitate or become part of a terrorist plot that kills many many people. Do your thoughts change then?
 
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