YouGov Poll - 33 Point lead!
- Thread starter Chris_Boro
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I didn’t vote conservative at the last election but to answer your question with a valid point I don’t think any party with a huge majority is good for democracy, yes they may have consent from the vast majority of voters to run the country but not everything is laid out the any manifesto for example I like a lot of new labour’s promises but it the things they haven’t mentioned or ruled out like reintroducing the fuel tax escalator or re branding council tax this is just an example of course to demonstrate a point, that being I couldn’t whole heartedly support any party but would much rather any party running the country has a decent opposition so that any policy they feel fit to pursue which may have a detrimental impact on hard working families would at least be subject to scrutiny, I personally don’t think labour or conservatives have done well in power in my lifetime, I will vote but it may be tactical just because of my belief of huge majority government not serving our nation well
Laughing
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You answered your own question. You said a democracy required decent opposition. You don't really believe that the tories provide "decent opposition" do you?
No
but as stated I don't think a very large majority is a good thing for any party I feel very disillusioned with the merry go around of conservative and Labour governments but either losing party is going to be the main opposition because we are effectively a two party country with generic voting as it is, sad really
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That might not be strictly true
If a party has a 200 majority and there is a vote on a contentious policy that not every MP is behind or believe in with a large majority and using the whip it can be got through parliament even if 50 MPs (ruling party)) voted against and sides with the opposition but if the majority was only 50 it would only take 26 MPs to vote against their own party and vote with the opposition to stop that said policy
now anything in the manifesto has every right to be pushed through it that's what Joe public voted for but if it's a policy not covered in the manifesto and it's going to adversely affect you and others like you so you go to your local MP and they agree surely that's a more democratic system if your voice and theirs has some weight behind it
it's pretty much why I hate politics if the whip is brought out it takes a brave person to stand up and be counted for their beliefs , it's much more likely that with a small majority these situations would lead to your voice your vote counting and real democracy ( the way I see it anyway)
timetoretire
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I don't remember this being a major concern in 2019 when the Tories had a majority of around 80 and Johnson was trumpeting the idea of being PM for two terms.
That's sort of the point the larger the majority the less likely my voice or my local MPs will be heard , personally I would rather a hung parliament with the lib dems propping up
festa5
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I'd have no problems with a hung parliament if we had a different type of voting system.
A hung parliament in the current circumstances though would be depressing. It would suggest the tories aren't far off with their populist, right wing rhetoric and would emblodem them to go even further.
A good opposition is important but it needs to be a good one, one that makes sensible, evidence based counter arguments. The tories are miles away from being that, all they have is culture wars and dog whistling for bigots. The best thing right now would be to see them decimated and hopefully force them to shift back towards the centre or (unlikely but far preferable) even allow them to be replaced by the lib dems.
It's pointless just having an opposition for the sake of it.
TeaCider
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A hung parliament would be a terrible outcome.
It would inevitably mean a much higher number of Tory MPs than currently predicted, possibly a good number of Reform and then more SNP too.
There would be absolutely no way of truthfully spinning it as a Labour win now, it would be a big boost to the morale of the right wing politicians and media, and it would just lead to a load of instability and inevitably another early general election.
Almost zero benefits.
Nothing of real note would get passed because they'd struggle to pass it through parliament unless both parties were always unanimous on everything, and they obviously wouldn't be.
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Fair enough I am no fan of the conservatives when I was 19 earning £40ish per week they clobbered me with the poll tax I can't forget that I literally had nothing to live on after paying my lodge but that's why I don't like large majority governments I think the conservatives had something like a 100 majority so it couldn't be stopped in its tracks but for me and many others it caused hardship and was hugely disliked
Power can and does corrupt I would like any and every government accountable to true democracy the larger the majority the less accountable
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Mendieta14
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Sunak was at seabreeze in Redcar yesterday.. do you think he ate it or just carried the bag to look normal?
asredastheycome
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Hope he had better luck than my mate. They take orders so he ordered for three and when the time came for the order he went round to get it. There was a queue way out the door. So he goes in to collect his order and they said "no you have to get in the queue". Not sure what the point is of taking orders in that case. Bet Rishi and his minion's never queued.
gregorgregorovich
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What, like 2010-15? The precursor to austerity, Brexit, dog whistling xenophobia, attacking the disabled and the poor, restricting the right to protest, illegal prorogation of Parliament, appalling handling of the pandemic, Partygate and bluster and lies and of each succesive Tory Government, trying to outdo the others in total and utter uselessness, Betgate. all of these and there's still a few days to add more to the list.
I hate the Tory party, but I will never forgive the Lib Dems for their part in their enabling of everything I've mentioned.
I have to drive the wife to Hartlepool hospital on Thursday for Surgery and she is adamant that in case it doesn't go that well (unlikely but possible), that we set off 15 minutes earlier, so we can go and vote, despite our reservations with Labour, to get these bastedos out and keep them out.
Genuinely hope everything goes well for your wife, I didn’t vote for this lot last time so can only hope for better
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