Wyke, Reach and Jones?!

BoroMart

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Yet we’re all saying he’d be a good addition to the squad? Would suggest that a squad with players such as Reach and others of his ilk would have depth and quality that we havent had for years. The Forshaw’s, Nugent’s, not players that broke the bank. Just shortsighted from the club. We got 5 million for him. Ok, with Gestede, Britt, Johnson, the Pulis garbage, the five million profit on Reach has turned into lasting defecit by investing in dross
Thing is for longer term there are better options than Adam Reach, I'd rather get someone that can improve into a top champ or even a prem quality player, something Reach will never be.
 

Simply red

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We sold reach for way above his market value at the time, was it about 5-7mill. He was probably worth about 2.5 when we sold him. We got a good deal, he was a squad player at the time, it was the right move for everyone. Despite his long range highlights real, he never ever had bigger clubs, prem clubs, scrambling to sign him. Deep down we all know that that's because he is absolutely average
He is a grade or 2 up from Johnson , and 2 year younger .
Proven , good age , knows the club , and free . No brainer.
 

BoroMart

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He is a grade or 2 up from Johnson , and 2 year younger .
based on what? He's marginally better than Johnson certainly not 2 grades above. Would I replace Johnson with Reach, maybe, if he was on similar wages. If he was being signed for a first team regular then it's a no, as a squad player maybe, but needs to be squad player wages.
 

Simply red

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based on what? He's marginally better than Johnson certainly not 2 grades above. Would I replace Johnson with Reach, maybe, if he was on similar wages. If he was being signed for a first team regular then it's a no, as a squad player maybe, but needs to be squad player wages.
So who would you like to sign to replace Johnson ?
Anyone we sign must be as a 1st team regular , we can't carry players .
Coulson is our squad player for me.
 

erimus86

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Disagree. Reach was / is a good player. Would suggest he wpuld have offered more than Downing did second time round had we kept him. I get Wyke wasnt in the first time but, club have been a bit short sighted with letting certain players go imho. Wyke, Graham, Reach for example
I don't disagree with you. We sold him on and have been short out wide ever since. In 2015-16 Karanka only trusted Adomah, Downing and Stuani out wide.

I know it's easy in hindsight but the club have been short sighted for a long time with moving players on and replacing them with no better. Just look at Forshaw. He could still be playing for us but having moved him on we have had a succession of midfielders in and out of the club with few any better than him: McNair, Wing Besic, Mikel, Saville, Morsy. At a much greater cost than the £4.5 we got for him. The same can be said for a string of player, Reach included.
 

BoroMart

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So who would you like to sign to replace Johnson ?
Anyone we sign must be as a 1st team regular , we can't carry players .
Coulson is our squad player for me.
Sirike Dembele from Peterborough, out of contract, he's their best player and can play either wing or CF. At 23 he can improve and be a saleable asset in the future. 8 goals, 10 assists. Get him in as LW to battle with Watmore.

I'd also taek a look at Keane Lewis-Potter at Hull if they fail to get promoted. 20 year old, regular in the side, 10 goals and 4 assists.

I'd sell Coulson, he's not good enough
 

festa5

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Most of us moaned that Boyd, Rhodes and Britt did nothing other than score goals.

"Like playing with 10 men"

"Not good enough for a team aiming for promotion"

Etc.

Bit odd then quite a few are keen for us to go for Wyke, who by all accounts is the same sort of player. Do we never learn?

Hopefully our recruitment team have.
 

alanmoodysdog

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got to be better all round players in the lower leagues the Charlie Wyke, watched him a lot in the stiffs at Boro and thought he was in the Armstrong level.... scores gols but assist, laying ball off was below average.... whats the attraction in bringing ex players back? Earlier comparisions to Big John about him only scoring goals are way of the mark, BJ crossed many a ball from the wing for the centre players to score.... remember Downing against WHU....
 

Simply red

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Most of us moaned that Boyd, Rhodes and Britt did nothing other than score goals.

"Like playing with 10 men"

"Not good enough for a team aiming for promotion"

Etc.

Bit odd then quite a few are keen for us to go for Wyke, who by all accounts is the same sort of player. Do we never learn?

Hopefully our recruitment team have.
Who would you like us to sign Festa5 ?
I think that Warnock is wanting a target man , so people are suggesting that type of player ie Wyke , Diedhiou , Michael Smith ,
Personally I don’t like that route , I prefer skilful players .
Norwich , Watford , Brentford , Swansea , Mcfc , LFC etc don’t use a big target man , they use skill and outplay their opponents.
Your thoughts ?
 

BoroMart

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Bit odd then quite a few are keen for us to go for Wyke, who by all accounts is the same sort of player. Do we never learn?
I'm consistent Didn't like Boyd or Britt.....don't want Wyke. I'd like a CF with a footballing technique.
 

BoroMart

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got to be better all round players in the lower leagues the Charlie Wyke, watched him a lot in the stiffs at Boro and thought he was in the Armstrong level.... scores gols but assist, laying ball off was below average.... whats the attraction in bringing ex players back? Earlier comparisions to Big John about him only scoring goals are way of the mark, BJ crossed many a ball from the wing for the centre players to score.... remember Downing against WHU....
different era too, you need to be more technically sound these days, there are very few out and out goal penalty box poachers around. Even players like Vardy have a great touch, pace, and close down well without the ball.
 

Alzi

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Who would you like us to sign Festa5 ?
I think that Warnock is wanting a target man , so people are suggesting that type of player ie Wyke , Diedhiou , Michael Smith ,
Personally I don’t like that route , I prefer skilful players .
Norwich , Watford , Brentford , Swansea , Mcfc , LFC etc don’t use a big target man , they use skill and outplay their opponents.
Your thoughts ?

If you appoint the likes of Warnock, then your plan isn't to play like Norwich / Brentford etc.

We just need to be consistent with whatever style we are trying to implement instead of chopping and changing between the likes of Monk, Pulis, Woodgate & Warnock and their different "brands"then wondering why we are left with an imbalanced squad.
 

BoroMart

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If you appoint the likes of Warnock, then your plan isn't to play like Norwich / Brentford etc.

We just need to be consistent with whatever style we are trying to implement instead of chopping and changing between the likes of Monk, Pulis, Woodgate & Warnock and their different "brands"then wondering why we are left with an imbalanced squad.
I agree....however.......Good players generally don't want to come to a club that plays like Warnock or Pulis. Good players want the ball on the ground, pass and move, because, they believe they are world beaters. Once you go down the route of persistently playing this way, you lock yourself into having athletes not technical players. It can bring some success, but when it fails and you get relegated you don't tend to have teh value in the players to make money and get back up.
 

BoroMart

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If you appoint the likes of Warnock, then your plan isn't to play like Norwich / Brentford etc.

We just need to be consistent with whatever style we are trying to implement instead of chopping and changing between the likes of Monk, Pulis, Woodgate & Warnock and their different "brands"then wondering why we are left with an imbalanced squad.
Norwich - Pukki - works hard, makes loads of sprints, not that quick but a great first touch, can play intricate passing too

Watford - Sarr and Pedro - 2 technical footballers, dibblers with pace and power

Brentford - Ivan Toney - big lad, but with a great touch, a target man, who holds it and lays it off NINE assists this season, that's more than Britt has got in his whole championship career.

Swansea - Ayew - quality forward, carries the ball smoothly, plays others in

Barnsley - Daryl Dike - a big lump an athlete, limited ability and Cauley Woodrow, not exactly a skillfall baller, but technically proficient a pragmatic all rounder

Reading - Lucas Joao - a technical footballer, great with the ball at his feet

All the teams at the top have technically good footballers up front, the only one who isn't is Dike, who is a right unit. I suspect he is going through a purple patch and his lower technique will show eventually, or maybe he will work on it he's still a kid really.
 

Alzi

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Norwich - Pukki - works hard, makes loads of sprints, not that quick but a great first touch, can play intricate passing too

Watford - Sarr and Pedro - 2 technical footballers, dibblers with pace and power

Brentford - Ivan Toney - big lad, but with a great touch, a target man, who holds it and lays it off NINE assists this season, that's more than Britt has got in his whole championship career.

Swansea - Ayew - quality forward, carries the ball smoothly, plays others in

Barnsley - Daryl Dike - a big lump an athlete, limited ability and Cauley Woodrow, not exactly a skillfall baller, but technically proficient a pragmatic all rounder

Reading - Lucas Joao - a technical footballer, great with the ball at his feet

All the teams at the top have technically good footballers up front, the only one who isn't is Dike, who is a right unit. I suspect he is going through a purple patch and his lower technique will show eventually, or maybe he will work on it he's still a kid really.

It's quite depressing comparing any of our "strikers" to those players.

Watmore isn't a striker really but at least puts a shift in, Fletcher and Britt can't even do that.
 

BoroMart

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It's quite depressing comparing any of our "strikers" to those players.

Watmore isn't a striker really but at least puts a shift in, Fletcher and Britt can't even do that.
exactly, I mean they are all vastly superior technically than our strikers. Dike is the only one who isn't but he's only 20 and an absolute unit that has done great for 10 games, hardly enough to validate his ability levels.
 

festa5

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Who would you like us to sign Festa5 ?
I think that Warnock is wanting a target man , so people are suggesting that type of player ie Wyke , Diedhiou , Michael Smith ,
Personally I don’t like that route , I prefer skilful players .
Norwich , Watford , Brentford , Swansea , Mcfc , LFC etc don’t use a big target man , they use skill and outplay their opponents.
Your thoughts ?

I agree, I'd far rather have a technically excellent forward who is a footballer, not just a big unit. One of the reasons I was gutted about Bamford leaving. He was a joy to watch at times.

However if you appoint Warnock you probably have to accept that's not the type of forward he needs for his style to be effective. You can't argue with his results, it's effective more often than not. But it requires a big unit to hold the ball up and allow the midfielders to play off. I'd be quite happy with Diedhiou to be honest. Popular with Bristol fans (usually a good sign) the right "type" of forward and proven in the championship.
 

Simply red

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Diedheiou , Haji Wright £1m
Siriki Dembele , Dion Charles ,Rhys Healey £1m, Jerry Yates £2m
Corey Blacket Taylor , Jorge Grant, Fejiri Okenbirhie,Carlos Mendes Gomes
Reece James.
Kyle Joseph , Thomas Robert , ( younger potential )
The Brentford model . Tav and Watmore to add to the group.
All free bar Wright , Healey and Yates .
 
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BoroMart

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If we want to improve the ball playing ability moving forwards rather than just hoof it ball, these are the players I would be looking at:

Gustavo Hamer (midfielder from Coventry) 24 year old Dutch. Plays anywhere in the middle, a number 8 role is best. Would be a better Saville. He's a better passer, and better defensively. Also younger and probably on much less wages

Callum O'Hare 22 year old attacking midfielder. Can play 10, or on either wing. 6 assists and a couple of goals in a poor side. He needs to work on his finishing, but he's a good ball carrier, hard working. Would be a great backup to Tav centrally, and a challenge to NML (assuming we offer him a contract) on the right. Wouldn't be expensive wages.

Mark Yates from Forest, long term replacement for Howson. Got a great engine, reminds me of slightly lankier Mustoe

Ben Brereton, he's a Warnock type. 6 foot 1, powerful, still only 21 but seems to have been around years. Scores a goal every 5 starts but has played largely as a winger for the last 2 years even though he is primarily a CF. Can hold the ball up as a CF, or dribble at people as a left winger. Good option to replace Bolasie, and, again should be far cheaper. Blackburn have over spent so will need to sell, I'm sure they'd prefer to lose him rather than Armstrong.

Josh Koroma, Huddersfield need to rebuild so he might be available. Pacey, can play anywhere across the front. Has a high number of shots per game.

Mikkel Forss - if Brentford go up he could be available, either permanent or loan. Again, mobile and not scared to shoot. Young, lots of room to improve.

Alex Palmer (West Brom on loan at Lincoln) / Jack Stevens (Oxford) young keepers with plenty of experience.


There are loads of decent youngsters out there
 
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