Wuhan Lab - Covid

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fmttmadmin said:
I once did an archaeology dig many years ago in York and the guy in charge said we had negative evidence. The fact we had found nothing proved we had found Anglo Saxon York because they didn't use or build with any materials that lasted. He managed to pull the wool over some peoples eyes for a little while but the facts were we didn't find anything.
This remains a conspiracy theory which is far easier to swallow than the alternatives. Blame the baddies. It is all their fault. Rather than look more closely at how we failed to stop something that we had been warned about happening for years. How we have to act to stop something similar again and how the world has to change and extremely quickly if it is not going to plunge into darkness from climate change.
Surely this will need an awful lot of sacrifice and effort than blaming it all on a James Bond plot, with an evil super power and scientists in collusion in a secret hideaway.
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I'm speechless on so many levels.
"Conspiracy theory", "James Bond plot", "Evil super power", "secret hideaways"
And it's you that gets to decide what is and isn't acceptable on here !
 
Alvez_48 said:
Have you read that fact check? It's literally 'debunking' that Fauci didn't engineer the covid virus, that's not being claimed. It's nonsense fact checking by paid for non independent fact checking sources.
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Did you read it? As it clearly says in the article title, it's debunking the idea that Fauci funded research that led to the creation of the virus.

It also specifically addresses the issue of "gain of function" research, stating as follows:

However, there’s no hard proof to support the article’s claims about gain-of-function research.
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Also, Politifact is an independent and well-respected fact-checking site, getting high ratings both for accuracy and a lack of bias. It is owned by the Poynter Institute for Media Studies, a non-profit journalism school and research organization which receives funding from both reader donations and various non-partisan groups.
 
Liamo said:
Did you read it? As it clearly says in the article title, it's debunking the idea that Fauci funded research that led to the creation of the virus.

It also specifically addresses the issue of "gain of function" research, stating as follows:



Also, Politifact is an independent and well-respected fact-checking site, getting high ratings both for accuracy and a lack of bias. It is owned by the Poynter Institute for Media Studies, a non-profit journalism school and research organization which receives funding from both reader donations and various non-partisan groups.
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Sure thing bud, even as far back as 2012 you can find this on your 'independent fact checkers'

www.npr.org

Political Fact-Checking Under Fire

Sites like PolitiFact and Factcheck.org are designed to verify political claims and hold politicians accountable. But critics say fact-checking entities are themselves biased. The Weekly Standard's Mark Hemingway and Glenn Kessler of the Washington Post discuss fact-checking in American politics.
www.npr.org www.npr.org

Fauci obtained funding for the Wuhan lab through Ecohealth, fact. The research being done there was gain of function (although he claims it shouldn't be called that) on coronavirus, fact.
 
Alvez_48 said:
Sure thing bud, even as far back as 2012 you can find this on your 'independent fact checkers'

www.npr.org

Political Fact-Checking Under Fire

Sites like PolitiFact and Factcheck.org are designed to verify political claims and hold politicians accountable. But critics say fact-checking entities are themselves biased. The Weekly Standard's Mark Hemingway and Glenn Kessler of the Washington Post discuss fact-checking in American politics.
www.npr.org www.npr.org

Fauci obtained funding for the Wuhan lab through Ecohealth, fact. The research being done there was gain of function (although he claims it shouldn't be called that) on coronavirus, fact.
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‘And they found that of the 98 statements that PolitiFact had rated false, 74 of them were by Republicans. Now, I can think of a number of reasons why you might cite one party over the other more, in terms of, you know, who was telling the truth and who wasn't. But doing that at a rate of three to one strikes me as awfully suspicious, particularly when, if you delve into the specifics of the statements that they cited, there's all kinds of problematic things contained there, whereas they are, you know, like you're mentioned, they're often fact-checking opinions and providing counter-arguments to, you know, stated opinions.’

it’s someone trying to tarnish the site because the called republicans out on the crap they spout
 
GazC_MFC said:
‘And they found that of the 98 statements that PolitiFact had rated false, 74 of them were by Republicans. Now, I can think of a number of reasons why you might cite one party over the other more, in terms of, you know, who was telling the truth and who wasn't. But doing that at a rate of three to one strikes me as awfully suspicious, particularly when, if you delve into the specifics of the statements that they cited, there's all kinds of problematic things contained there, whereas they are, you know, like you're mentioned, they're often fact-checking opinions and providing counter-arguments to, you know, stated opinions.’

it’s someone trying to tarnish the site because the called republicans out on the crap they spout
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The npr is not someone trying to tarnish anything back in 2012. Politifact gets its funding from democratic donations, it showed a clear bias there were plenty of other news reports showing the same over the years I'm sure you could Google it yourself and find one from a source you agree with, but still the underlying fact checking article posted was deliberately misleading. Carry on as you were though.
 
Randy said:
Reported it already mate.

Has Fauci had anything to do with the suppression of using Ivermectin in the treatment of mild to moderate covid?

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As this report states that,

"Patients with mild-to-moderate COVID-19 infection treated with ivermectin plus doxycycline recovered earlier, were less likely to progress to more serious disease, and were more likely to be COVID-19 negative by RT-PCR on day 14"
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Careful mentioning Ivermectin otherwise the "conspiracy theory" insults will be coming your way.

However, even more interesting to see that nobody even picked up on it, I'm sure most on here have never heard of it in their safe little bubbles.

Again, plenty of evidence out there, as of yesterday, the whole of Goa will be given Ivermectin as a prophylactic against covid. You'll not see that on the BBC or read it in the Guardian.
 
Alvez_48 said:
Have you read that fact check? It's literally 'debunking' that Fauci didn't engineer the covid virus, that's not being claimed. It's nonsense fact checking by paid for non independent fact checking sources.
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problem with that line is that there is literally no independence from any side, they are all funded by various political sides. Of course that doesn't in itself make both views equal.
 
smogontherhine said:
Careful mentioning Ivermectin otherwise the "conspiracy theory" insults will be coming your way.

However, even more interesting to see that nobody even picked up on it, I'm sure most on here have never heard of it in their safe little bubbles.
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complains about 'conspiracy theory' insults......tells everyone they are in 'safe little bubbles'. 🤦‍♂️
 
GazC_MFC said:
‘And they found that of the 98 statements that PolitiFact had rated false, 74 of them were by Republicans. Now, I can think of a number of reasons why you might cite one party over the other more, in terms of, you know, who was telling the truth and who wasn't.
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That right wing parties rely on lies and obfuscation to ensure the masses vote against what is best for them?
 
smogontherhine said:
Careful mentioning Ivermectin otherwise the "conspiracy theory" insults will be coming your way.

However, even more interesting to see that nobody even picked up on it, I'm sure most on here have never heard of it in their safe little bubbles.

Again, plenty of evidence out there, as of yesterday, the whole of Goa will be given Ivermectin as a prophylactic against covid. You'll not see that on the BBC or read it in the Guardian.
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I know. I've never understood the pushback against it when it's been shown to work.
 
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