Woman who lied about grooming gang guilty of perverting course of justice

Lemmy_kilmister said:
Tell me it hasn't happened.
And you haven't provided
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Lemmy_kilmister said:
Tell me it hasn't happened.
And you haven't provided any evidence.
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I believe the declining rate of convictions is evidence. You seem to be more concerned by a (possible) minuscule number of men wrongly convicted, than the colossal number of women raped, of whom only a small percentage actually report the incident.
Why?
 
I can see you're spoiling for an argument.
I don't wish to have an argument in full view of the board, it's not what I do, life's too short.
If you're desperate to be proved correct, then I'll defer.

There was no need for the unpleasantness though.
 
overall I’m pleased that she got a lengthy sentence. She’s clearly got a number of issues and being locked up will hopefully allow her to get support for her issues. Terrible case all round - I hope she gets the help she needs, she’s young so there is time.

More importantly I hope the innocent men get some sense of normality back to their lives!
 
Its an unfortunate truth that there are many hundreds of people each year who go through the trauma of being falsely accused without a grain of truth.
The big issue is that people like that woman are helping to minimise the impact on real vicitms and making them scared of reporting offences, incase they arent believed.
She deserves what she gets. The far right thrive on those lies like rats live on schitt.
 
I was in the unfortunate position of having a girl make an accusation against me many years ago. It was from something that happened at a house party, she had a fella, it got out and she then played that card despite it being completely consensual. I said she should go to the police or I would be and was seeking advice from the academic institution we were both studying at. In the eyes of the law, as she was inebriated and therefore couldn't give consent, I don't know what the ramifications would have been should she have pressed on with it.

Thankfully she didn't and did ultimately take responsibility for it.

However, that experience hasn't clouded my judgment to the fact of the matter, which is that FAR more genuine instances of rape happen and go unpunished than are falsely claimed. It's actually awful how many women never see justice for crimes committed against them.

It's an absolute minefield. I've had some turbulent moments in life, as we all have, but the feeling when I heard that word associated with me was possibly the worst I've ever felt. I don't know if I could ever forgive her despite understanding her reactionary actions as self preservatory.
 
Lemmy_kilmister said:
I can see you're spoiling for an argument.
I don't wish to have an argument in full view of the board, it's not what I do, life's too short.
If you're desperate to be proved correct, then I'll defer.

There was no need for the unpleasantness though.
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Lemmy, absolutely not spoiling for a fight, nobody wins if we cannot engage in an exchange of views. I did take exception to your comment, which I thought unnecessarily flippant, and to be honest, a little dangerous, I still stand by that opinion.
Apologies for the unpleasantness. I try to not post anything I would not say to any face to face and in this case I failed. Part of this was driven by the horrendous rape statistics, over 40,000 last year, with the ONS reporting that only 1 in 6 actually report the attack and that females are x15 more likely to be a victim than males.
 
No worries.
I had a mate who almost lost his whole career because a girl cried rape. So her boyfriend didn't find out they'd been together one night (he didn't know she had a boyfriend), she hung my mate out to dry. He was arrested by the police and held in the cells until it came out she'd told a pack of lies. Her friends provided the evidence to clear him.
He was released without charge, but when his name is mentioned in conversation, people said "oh, you mean P*** the Rapist?"
He ended up leaving the job he loved (kept all his pension fortunately) because mud sticks. He didn't have to leave, but the whispering was too much for him. The girl was done for wasting police time.
He could have ended up doing a lengthy stretch if not for her friends telling the police she was lying.
She got let off, he has stigma for the rest of his life. That's colossally unfair.
I'm not saying that one set of statistics is any worse than the other, or whataboutery, or whatever, I'm saying that there have been innocent men who have gone to jail and had the rest of their lives ruined based on a web of lies.
 
Lemmy_kilmister said:
No worries.
I had a mate who almost lost his whole career because a girl cried rape. So her boyfriend didn't find out they'd been together one night (he didn't know she had a boyfriend), she hung my mate out to dry. He was arrested by the police and held in the cells until it came out she'd told a pack of lies. Her friends provided the evidence to clear him.
He was released without charge, but when his name is mentioned in conversation, people said "oh, you mean P*** the Rapist?"
He ended up leaving the job he loved (kept all his pension fortunately) because mud sticks. He didn't have to leave, but the whispering was too much for him. The girl was done for wasting police time.
He could have ended up doing a lengthy stretch if not for her friends telling the police she was lying.
She got let off, he has stigma for the rest of his life. That's colossally unfair.
I'm not saying that one set of statistics is any worse than the other, or whataboutery, or whatever, I'm saying that there have been innocent men who have gone to jail and had the rest of their lives ruined based on a web of lies.
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I'm glad the situation didn't happen to me in the workplace and that I was very quickly able to stamp out any utterings. I definitely feel as though I lost the trust of some people though despite having done nothing wrong.
 
Lemmy_kilmister said:
There will have been many innocent men jailed on the lies of a woman.
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As far as false allegations of rape go, the study below presents a slightly different view and contains the following statement from Stephen House, Chief Constable of Police Scotland:

“From a police perspective there is nothing to
suggest either anecdotally or evidentially, that false reporting of rape is prevalent, in fact such
cases are very rare."
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Briefing paper on false allegations of rape
 
Liamo said:
As far as false allegations of rape go, the study below presents a slightly different view and contains the following statement from Stephen House, Chief Constable of Police Scotland:



Briefing paper on false allegations of rape
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Does that include allegations of rape within marriage?
How many men who are raped dont report it?
Rape is not just about false allegations - its a much more complex issue.
 
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r00fie1 said:
Does that include allegations of rape within marriage?
How many men who are raped dont report it?
Rape is not just about false allegations - its a much more complex issue.
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The paper deals with the question of false allegations of rape and does not break it down into any sub-categories. And while it touches on the question of rapes not being reported, that's not its main focus.

I would say the way it discusses the matter makes it clear that this is a complex issue.
 
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