Same_as_before
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On the bright side we are in the top 8.
Will you have the vaccine ?
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I'd have the vaccine today, I'd have had it the day they thought it was ready for testing, and I'm nowhere near any of the at risk groups, so I should have less reason to take it than most. My reason for wanting it is to stop me passing it onto others though, I don't see any side effects being worse than me passing a virus onto someone and it killing them, or me creating another chain of virus spread which could kill a lot more.
But I find some comments on here, and in public/ on Facebook quite bizarre, unless you're this person:
"Over 18, Fit, young, healthy, no existing conditions, does not come into contact with anyone at risk, doesn't drink, doesn't smoke, doesn't travel abroad, eats healthy, balanced diet, not overweight, exercises often, doesn't partake in dangerous activities"
Now there isn't many people in that group, and even those that are will not be in that group for ever, but lets assume they are all in that group or have some other reasons......so I can try and see the side of those that don't want it.
So, I'm assuming the thought process of those not wanting the vaccine is "I might not get the vaccine because I'm worried about long term effects"
We don't yet know of any long term effects of a vaccine, so you're effectively scared of something that is not proven to exist yet, and has been specifically designed by extremely clever people so as to try to not exist. They've been making vaccines for decades so would hopefully know some of the pitfalls.
You could care more about things that do exist, that are proven to be damaging to your health, like getting lashed up, smoking, bad diet, being overweight, not exercising, not eating a balanced diet and getting nutrients etc.
Yes, some of those things are life choices and do make life more fun so they might be worth it, but as a risk assessment the vaccine is low and the others are high. Risk V Reward I suppose.....but, and it's a big but:
If you don't get the vaccine then there's a lot more chance that you will get coronavirus, even much more so if you like to partake in activities which are fun, like Pubs, Restaurants, Boro Matches (ok, not fun most of the time), going abroad on holiday which often requires flying (cramped), or a cruise (virus heaven), or going to a country with lower general standards than ours.
So it's either:
Risk the vaccine, in two controlled stages (which is probably a very, very low risk)
Risk Coronavirus, with zero control, and also risk it's long term effects (which is almost certainly higher risk)
What doesn't seem to be a realistic option:
Going to pubs, bars, restaurants and Boro games, without having a vaccine and expecting not to get the virus.
Expecting the actual virus to have less long term effects than a vaccine
But I find some comments on here, and in public/ on Facebook quite bizarre, unless you're this person:
"Over 18, Fit, young, healthy, no existing conditions, does not come into contact with anyone at risk, doesn't drink, doesn't smoke, doesn't travel abroad, eats healthy, balanced diet, not overweight, exercises often, doesn't partake in dangerous activities"
Now there isn't many people in that group, and even those that are will not be in that group for ever, but lets assume they are all in that group or have some other reasons......so I can try and see the side of those that don't want it.
So, I'm assuming the thought process of those not wanting the vaccine is "I might not get the vaccine because I'm worried about long term effects"
We don't yet know of any long term effects of a vaccine, so you're effectively scared of something that is not proven to exist yet, and has been specifically designed by extremely clever people so as to try to not exist. They've been making vaccines for decades so would hopefully know some of the pitfalls.
You could care more about things that do exist, that are proven to be damaging to your health, like getting lashed up, smoking, bad diet, being overweight, not exercising, not eating a balanced diet and getting nutrients etc.
Yes, some of those things are life choices and do make life more fun so they might be worth it, but as a risk assessment the vaccine is low and the others are high. Risk V Reward I suppose.....but, and it's a big but:
If you don't get the vaccine then there's a lot more chance that you will get coronavirus, even much more so if you like to partake in activities which are fun, like Pubs, Restaurants, Boro Matches (ok, not fun most of the time), going abroad on holiday which often requires flying (cramped), or a cruise (virus heaven), or going to a country with lower general standards than ours.
So it's either:
Risk the vaccine, in two controlled stages (which is probably a very, very low risk)
Risk Coronavirus, with zero control, and also risk it's long term effects (which is almost certainly higher risk)
What doesn't seem to be a realistic option:
Going to pubs, bars, restaurants and Boro games, without having a vaccine and expecting not to get the virus.
Expecting the actual virus to have less long term effects than a vaccine
Colin Warnek
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Vaccination, unlike wearing a mask, is intended to immunise the recipient - not stop them spreading. It should absolutely be given to the most vulnerable groups first - the elderly and those with pre-existing conditions - not be a free-for-all amongst the younger generations.
If you're immune (through the vaccine) then the virus can't replicate, can it? So if there's no replication, then you can't pass it on? Or the window for passing it on and the viral load is a lot less.
But yes, of course give it to the most at risk first, I wasn't saying otherwise.
AlbertoBongaloid
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CNBC in America are reporting that they are worried that people won’t go back for the second shot as the side effects from the first one are so bad. Rather like covid 19. You couldn’t make it up
Zoophonic
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Qantas arent internationally.
I should add that airlines are currently only flying for critical travel and no holidays. The idea is to get back to a position that not only people have the confidence to fly when they want especially the elderly but also to feel perfectly safe to do so. And airports are also made safe as well.
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The Card Cheat
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Really? One of the side effects of covid is an unpleasant death. So are CNBC reporting that the vaccine will kill people? Or make them feel slightly ill for a short period of time?
I'm pretty sure it's the latter isn't it? I'm also pretty sure I could "make it up" as that's how the vast majority of vaccines work.
1finny
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Its an unpleasant death for people with an average age of 82 (In the uk)
I think we ought to understand the reasons some may want to take a risk
mymatelookslikephilstamp
Active member
Dear me....
So for not wanting to inject something that has been rushed through (and it has been rushed through) straight into your bloodstream, you would rather us all housebound for eternity? What is your fear if you are vaccinated, and therefore 'safe' in your eyes?
bear66
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I'd take the risk to minimise unpleasant deaths to people with an average age of 82. Who wouldn't?
Funky_Chicken
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Why not a license to say you’ve had the flu vaccine as well then - influenza kills countless thousands every year the world over, an estimated 60000 in the USA alone in 2018.
1finny
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People who have a different view to you.
They will think people like you and I are the ones doing the wrong thing
The Card Cheat
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Why not a license to say you’ve had the flu vaccine as well then - influenza kills countless thousands every year the world over, an estimated 60000 in the USA alone in 2018.
Comparing influenza to Covid is like comparing Rudy Gestede to Messi.
Both are footballers but the latter is much much more dangerous than the other.
A million and a half deaths despite the most stringent quarantining measures in human history.
Uwefuchs
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For those who don't want to be vaccinated, what if everyone thinks like you?
Suppose no one will get vaccinated how do we ever get out of this? Are you happy locking down for the rest of your life? Or are you happy for the virus to run rampant and kill the weakest in our society?
As that post mentioned recently, if they made entry to pubs dependent on having a vaccine certificate you'd soon change enough peoples minds to get it.
SmallTown
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I’m saying I don’t want to be vaccinated YET not that I don’t want to be vaccinated
Uwefuchs
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I'm hearing a lot of people talking about waiting to see the long term side affects which is understandable but how long do you want to wait?
Are you happy to have another year like 2020?
1finny
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You are going to extremes.
2021 will not be anything like 2020 if the vaccination is as good as we are told. Most will get vaccinated.
Some won’t
It’s called choice
Uwefuchs
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I know its called choice, when have I ever stated otherwise?
It just seems like some people want to let everyone else take the risk while they get the benefits.
SmallTown
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Until I'm comfortable with the clinical trials results. And the regulatory approvals. Its all scarily quick for me and I work in the industry