Wilder’s Watford lose

Corcaigh_the_Cat said:
Will Carrick get the same when he moves on or is our bitterness reserved for Southgate, Strachan, Mowbray, Karanka, Monk, Pulis, Woodgate (now once again a red), Warnock and Wilder?
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I've got no bitterness towards any of our former managers. Wilders final days, and the Burnley debacle (PR OG or otherwise) just left a really bad taste.

The scapegoating of players, throwing them under the bus and refusing to accept any responsibility (bar Stoke) didn't endear himself to a lot of fans.

Didn't work out for him, happens, we're in a far better position now 🤷🏻‍♂️🤷🏻‍♂️
 
Corcaigh_the_Cat said:
Will Carrick get the same when he moves on or is our bitterness reserved for Southgate, Strachan, Mowbray, Karanka, Monk, Pulis, Woodgate (now once again a red), Warnock and Wilder?
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Who's bitter about Southgate, Mowbray or Karanka?

Southgate didn't do a great job in the last season but he's a club legend. Both he and Mowbray did a great job in tough circumstances. Having to try and remain competitive with ever decreasing budgets. Karanka gave us our only taste of Premier League football in years. He was too emotional and cracked under pressure, but he gave us two great Championship seasons and some great moments in the cups and Premier League.

I personally cant see many people being bitter about Strachan, Woodgate or Pulis either. Strachan didn't do a good job but he tried and at least had the decency to walk away when he was failing. Woodgate did what any of us would have done in his position. He tried his best but it wasn't the right job for him. He was given a job that any manager would have found difficult, never mind a young manager in his first role with little experience in his coaching staff. Think he's found his perfect backroom role now. I personally like Pulis, he made the most of what Monk left behind and managed the change, taking the club to a sustainable Championship wage bill so we weren't in trouble after the parachute payments went whilst keeping us in the top half of the division.

Some people hate Warnock, and I think that was more down to his reputation than anything be did at the club. But I think that's a minority. He was vital in keeping us in the league and moving us back into contention for the playoffs. I still like him and respect what he did at the club.

Wilder and Monk are the only ones that people are "bitter" about. And for good reason. Both saw the job as partly beneath them. Both were consistently looking at ways to jump to a "better" job all the time they were here. And both failed spectacularly to reach the expectations they'd set themselves.

Ending a job in failure isn't a crime - it's how most football management jobs end. It's everything that surrounds it. Most of those managers are still respected or liked by the fans.
 
Jedi boro said:
I despise pullis

So you can add me to the list
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Despise is pretty strong - baseball cap and dour football aside, anything more specific?

He's a nothing figure to me. Was just a temporary appointment, passing through, no more no less.
 
Corcaigh_the_Cat said:
Will Carrick get the same when he moves on or is our bitterness reserved for Southgate, Strachan, Mowbray, Karanka, Monk, Pulis, Woodgate (now once again a red), Warnock and Wilder?
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I know you think you are making a clever point, but do you seriously not understand the feelings towards Wilder?
If Carrick acted in the same way then yeah, he probably would get the same. But I can't see that happening.
 
I love Southgate - Did a great job for 3 seasons in testing circumstances
I love Mowbray - He did the same
I love Karanka - He got us up and remains popular. Was a special time for 2 seasons
I love Woody - He's a better coach than a manager but I also loved him as a player
I love Warnock - Came in, Saved us and stabilised us before being shafted for an utter ball bag.
I'll love Carrick when he goes - He ain't gonna shaft us, he'll deserve it and if he's got us up and stable in the PL, he can go get a big job with all of our blessings. I hope he holds out for a much bigger job than West Ham
 
Southgate - great guy, inspirational captain, now an inspirational manager. We gave him a job that was simply too much at the time. HE hadn't even been training a youth team let alone a prem team.

Strachan - awful abrasive character. Had a great reputation for building good teams but he got it horribly wrong. The only saving grace was he failed fast and we got him out the door fast.

Pulis - boring anti-football, yes, but it was effective. Taught me that our fans want entertainment maybe more than success.

Monk - snide, self serving and loathsome. Had no dedication to this club. It was all me, me, me with him. Not half as tactically astute as he tried to claim.

Wilder - similar to Monk, believes his own hype as a tactical genius. He is a decent manager when he has the perfect players, but lacks the ability to make something from nothing. Again, his character isn't one to warm to, it's a veneer of intellect, but a vaccuum behind it. Lacks the moral fibre you expect from a manager, similar to Monk in that way. I think both are on the sociopathic spectrum to be honest, wilder a lot lower.

Mogga - great captain, tried for us under difficult circumstances, there's a little rose tinted glasses around his time as amanger it was generally poor, but it was like someone trying to make a model of the sydney harbour bridge with pasta shapes, it was gonna look rough and crumble under pressure.

Karanka - great guy, professionalised our approach to games, the pressure got to him, but that's what makes him a loveable guy, he is human, he cared, he wanted it to work.

Woody - too much too soon, bad time to come in

Warnock - nice enough character, despite his Boris comments, just antiquated in his approach to football. All a bit basic and obvious and 1992 football.
 
Corcaigh_the_Cat said:
Will Carrick get the same when he moves on or is our bitterness reserved for Southgate, Strachan, Mowbray, Karanka, Monk, Pulis, Woodgate (now once again a red), Warnock and Wilder?
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To be fair I have a lot of time for many of our former managers, in just the same way as former players, it entirely down to how they fare when they're here.

Southgate, Mogga, Aitor, Woody and Warnock are all managers who I have time for, often for varying reasons, but WGS, Pulis and Monk are ones I don't.
 
BoroMart said:
Pulis - boring anti-football, yes, but it was effective. Taught me that our fans want entertainment maybe more than success.
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What success ??

Don’t belief the pullis myth as it’s awful anti football that doesn’t even work anyway.

We saw the reality in the play offs v villa.
 
Jedi boro said:
What success ??

Don’t belief the pullis myth as it’s awful anti football that doesn’t even work anyway.

We saw the reality in the play offs v villa.
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Relative success in that he got us to the play offs, I don't believe the myth, it was limited and was shown up by Villa to be easily defendable if you have a half decent set of players. We barely got a shot on target in two legs vs them. In the context of comparisons to the other managers in this list, only Karanka got us to the play offs or better, so relative to them it was 'success' .
 
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