Who’s the worst manager out of Rooney, Gerrard & Lampard?

[TeaCider]

Rooney's "solid" job at Derby:



That was the season before the points deductions and wage issues.
With a squad full of expensive players.
The only stayed up because Rotherham conceded in the 89th minute of the last game of the season.

Then the next season they obvious went down because of the points deduction but they'd only have finished 17th without it.

The only impressive part of the job was handling the off field issues admirably.

 

[The Card Cheat]

Lampard’s been a shambles everywhere he’s been.

That’s just not true though. He did better in his first season at Derby than Carrick did in his first season with us. (Though I believe Carrick is a far better manager).
He qualified for the Champions League with Chelsea whilst they had a transfer embargo and had a team full of home grown players. It was that qualification which enabled them to win the whole tournament the next season.
Since then admittedly he's been a shambles..

 

[ForssAwakens]

That’s just not true though. He did better in his first season at Derby than Carrick did in his first season with us. (Though I believe Carrick is a far better manager).
He qualified for the Champions League with Chelsea whilst they had a transfer embargo and had a team full of home grown players. It was that qualification which enabled them to win the whole tournament the next season.
Since then admittedly he's been a shambles..

He took a team that finished 6th the previous season, they then heavily Invested again (so much so Gibson took legal action) and finished 6th. They acquired some of the best youth players in the system in tomari, Wilson and mount and he couldn’t improve them

 

[TeaCider]

He took a team that finished 6th the previous season, they then heavily Invested again (so much so Gibson took legal action) and finished 6th. They acquired some of the best youth players in the system in tomari, Wilson and mount and he couldn’t improve them

That's not a shambles though.

It's treading water, a shambles would have been if he had them in the bottom half despite all that.

 

[ForssAwakens]

That's not a shambles though.

It's treading water, a shambles would have been if he had them in the bottom half despite all that.

They should have been challenging automatic promotion, they got no where near it all season

I think he did a really poor job, woudlnt describe it as a shambles

I think it’s unfair to say lampard did better than carrick, carrick had a better ppg Return that lampard. The resources aren’t comparable
Either

 

[The Card Cheat]

He took a team that finished 6th the previous season, they then heavily Invested again (so much so Gibson took legal action) and finished 6th. They acquired some of the best youth players in the system in tomari, Wilson and mount and he couldn’t improve them

It's still an achievement to reach the play off final
. Carrick took a team who missed out on the last day of the season for the play offs in the previous season, to losing in the first stage of the play offs, he also like Lampard benefitted from some excellent loan players. It doesn't lesson the achievement.
I'm not saying Lampard is a great manager, he clearly isn't. It's just one of those myths that gets peddled that he's been terrible in every job. He obviously did ok at Derby and ok at Chelsea, in his first spell.

 

[Diego]

It's still an achievement to reach the play off final
. Carrick took a team who missed out on the last day of the season for the play offs in the previous season, to losing in the first stage of the play offs, he also like Lampard benefitted from some excellent loan players. It doesn't lesson the achievement.
I'm not saying Lampard is a great manager, he clearly isn't. It's just one of those myths that gets peddled that he's been terrible in every job. He obviously did ok at Derby and ok at Chelsea, in his first spell.

Agree. Rooney has done no where near as much as Lampard and Lampard is regarded as a failure so god knows what that makes Rooney

 

[festa5]

They're all hopeless and I wouldn't want us to ever go anywhere near them.

Lampard was the biggest surprise for me, he's no dummy (isn't he in mensa or something?) but maybe his leadership skills aren't there. Whereas Carrick has that in spades.

The other two I think you get what you see. Incredible players but neither came across as particularly deep thinkers. Just incredibly gifted footballers.

 

[VladKinder]

Being a football player and a football manager are two different jobs.

Who would have thought it?

 

[Ipad1977]

It's still an achievement to reach the play off final
. Carrick took a team who missed out on the last day of the season for the play offs in the previous season, to losing in the first stage of the play offs, he also like Lampard benefitted from some excellent loan players. It doesn't lesson the achievement.
I'm not saying Lampard is a great manager, he clearly isn't. It's just one of those myths that gets peddled that he's been terrible in every job. He obviously did ok at Derby and ok at Chelsea, in his first spell.

This is a mockery of how well Carrick did when weighed up against "Frank Lampard's Derby County" IMHO as the obvious unmentioned difference is that Carrick took over a side already deep in relegation trouble with over a third of the season gone.

He had that anything but "small hurdle" to overcome to have us somehow finish in 4th when the season ended.

So Lampard managed to fare better than Carrick in one game out of the season really, just a shame it was the second leg of the playoff semi. The rest of the campaign Micheal out-performed Frank in every regard.

 

[ForssAwakens]

It's still an achievement to reach the play off final
. Carrick took a team who missed out on the last day of the season for the play offs in the previous season, to losing in the first stage of the play offs, he also like Lampard benefitted from some excellent loan players. It doesn't lesson the achievement.
I'm not saying Lampard is a great manager, he clearly isn't. It's just one of those myths that gets peddled that he's been terrible in every job. He obviously did ok at Derby and ok at Chelsea, in his first spell.

Playoff final is a great occasion to play, it doesn’t necessarily means it’s a great achievements. That depends on what your outlook is on the start of season

Aston Villa got to a playoff final, they underachieved.

If Leicester play in the final this season it won’t be a great achievement

The playoff final under karanka was a great achievement.

Context is really important

 

[The Card Cheat]

This is a mockery of how well Carrick did when weighed up against "Frank Lampard's Derby County" IMHO as the obvious unmentioned difference is that Carrick took over a side already deep in relegation trouble with over a third of the season gone.

He had that anything but "small hurdle" to overcome to have us somehow finish in 4th when the season ended.

So Lampard managed to fare better than Carrick in one game out of the season really, just a shame it was the second leg of the playoff semi. The rest of the campaign Micheal out-performed Frank in every regard.

I agree entirely and maybe should have made it clearer. Carrick showed last season that he's a far better manager than any of them three, but people saying "Lampard has been a shambles everywhere, he's achieved sweet Fa" isn't true at all. A complete myth.
My point is at least technically he achieved something at Derby that Carrick hasn't achieved yet, and it's universally accepted in Football he did a decent job in his first season at Chelsea in very difficult circumstances.

 

[parmoboy]

I seem to remember there was a period where Lampard seemed to be doing well at Derby.

He had them playing some good football and I can remember them coming to the Riverside and playing us off the park. We'd sneaked a 1-1 draw as one of their players scored a late own goal.

He got them into the play-offs that season but it was no great achievement considering the squad he had to work with.

 

[jonny_greenings_sock]

That’s just not true though. He did better in his first season at Derby than Carrick did in his first season with us. (Though I believe Carrick is a far better manager).
He qualified for the Champions League with Chelsea whilst they had a transfer embargo and had a team full of home grown players. It was that qualification which enabled them to win the whole tournament the next season.
Since then admittedly he's been a shambles..

Seen that Derby squad though? Two England internationals on loan who later sold for £55m (Mount) and £25m (Tomori, Serie A team of the season) and under Lampard they got one point less than they did the previous season.

Most basic definition of a good manager for me is one who improves their team. Lampard never has, Gerrard has, Rooney hasn’t really but won some credit with the situation at Derby which he didn’t really need to do, he’s rich enough not to get his hands dirty with all that.

I’d say Lampard did a reasonable job at Chelsea in the transfer ban year, they were alright that season. Squad of homegrown players is doing a bit of work though - he did a great job of bringing through Abraham, Mount and Tomori, but they still had Kante, Jorginho, Kovacic, Rudiger, Azpi, Giroud, Willian and loads of other international superstars, it’s not like he did it with our squad against Fulham before the UEFA Cup final. It went to ***** for him very quickly the next season too. Everywhere else he’s been abject.