What was that disallowed for then

[Chris_Boro]

Where was he when the ball was crossed? That is when the ball arrived..

From the first header on the cross in (keeper missed it) the second player to head it was offside as there was only 1 player between him and the goal.

 

[Quicksilvera]

Learn the offside rule people.

 

[Priv]

It was off. Just.

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No he’s not

The keeper makes a deliberate contact (if not him it’s the defender) which means the offside is from when the ball was played from the freekick not from when the keeper (or defender ) touches it.

Edit: ball hits attacker after keeper, at that point his team mate is just offside so correctly ruled out.

 

[Zoophonic]

Justice now anyway. Unless they rule the penalty offside

Didn't need justice, it was offside.

I think it was but would like to see a forensic look at the last ball played.

 

[ThePrisoner]

WTF is this? When the free kick is taken the player is about ten yards onside. WTF does his knee have to do with anything when he actually gets to the ball?

 

[Zoophonic]

Terrible yellow card against Qatar there

 

[TheBoroBuzzard]

No he’s not

The keeper makes a deliberate contact which means the offside is from when the ball was played from the freekick not from when the keeper touches it, the var doesn’t even know the rules or has been paid to misinterpret them.

I agree

 

[boringblock_21]

Learn the offside rule people.

Not sure why anyone is saying this. It’s obvious and clear that nobody here misunderstands the offside rule. We are all just trying to figure out which players touch the ball, and which player is deemed offside.

Is this the correct sequence:

Two Ecuadorean players, say A and B, challenge the keeper. Player a wins the ball and when he does so, player b is offside. Player B subsequently plays the ball across to Valencia who scores?

 

[Priv]

Not sure why anyone is saying this. It’s obvious and clear that nobody here misunderstands the offside rule. We are all just trying to figure out which players touch the ball, and which player is deemed offside.

Is this the correct sequence:

Two Ecuadorean players, say A and B, challenge the keeper. Player a wins the ball and when he does so, player b is offside. Player B subsequently plays the ball across to Valencia who scores?

Except it looks to of come off a Qatar player first which would mean the Ecuador player was onside.

 

[NoloBoro]

Ffs, don’t ask for justice in Qatar, it’s usually swift, brutal and violates most human rights.

 

[BobUpnDown]

I have not seen a quality replay from when the ball was played yet.
Just the keeper collision moment & the defender + attacker in isolation ( all other players removed )

Absolute bollox of a replay so far, 7 VAR officials & making a pigs ear of it again..

 

[afcb_acklam]

its against the spirit of football, makes me wanna give it up

 

[Yearbyred]

Not watching the game but saw this on Twitter.

https://twitter.com/x/status/1594365172390526978

 

[newyddion]

Anyone

Probably about £500k

 

[Priv]

I agree

Looks like we were both wrong

BBC finally showed a zoomed in slo-mo Keeper punches it on to the attackers head so by the letter of the law var is right, why didn’t they show that at the time it would have been a hell of a lot clearer.

Can you edit your post and take off my paid claim as it’s clearly an injustice to the VAR

 

[swordtrombonefish]

 

[Hap]

I was looking at the wrong player I think!

Me too

 

[Lottowyn]

I watched all that game, but just popped out after that incident for a couple of minute, and just realised at the end of the game that the second minute goal had been disallowed.

 

[changingman]

Must admit I missed it in real time but it was clearer when you see the keepers position on the replay.

Fairly hilarious that by coming out and completely failing in his attempt to win the ball he has inadvertently stopped the goal

 

[Liamo]

I was having trouble understanding this also, until I'd seen all the replays and read a full explanation, after which it became clear.

In the still image shown in post #6 by @Zoophonic, Estupinian is challenging the goalkeeper for the ball. According to the VAR team (who had access to multiple normal speed and slow motion replays from various different camera angles) Estupinian got the last touch before the ball went up in the air and at that point, Estrada was marginally offside (that's the still they showed with the number 11 player's left foot and part of his left leg beyond the offside line).

After the ball bounced off the ground, that player (Estrada) then headed the ball back to Torres, who knocked the ball across for Valencia to put it in the net.

So basically, Estrada was in an offside position when Estupinian headed it, then came back and became involved in active play by heading the ball to Torres (thereby committing an offside offence).

It was extremely difficult to see in real time and even on the first couple of replays but now that we have the full sequence of events, I think the decision becomes easier to understand.

I thought it wasn't particularly helpful that the only still they showed at first (and for a long time) was of the player in an offside position (Estrada) but without showing where he was in relation to all the other players at the time or explaining at which point in the somewhat complicated sequence of events, he was in an offside position.