What is a Woman

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thats the problem with the so called 'do-gooding liberals' - its always about Self, they do it for nobody but their own ego.

and an ability to find any excuse not to vote for Labour.

Starve the Ego and Feed the Soul.
 
Johnny Vincents Motorbike said:
thats the problem with the so called 'do-gooding liberals' - its always about Self, they do it for nobody but their own ego.

and an ability to find any excuse not to vote for Labour.

Starve the Ego and Feed the Soul.
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That is a quite unbelievable response and demonstrates what a small, narrow, little mind you have. Having no knowledge of a person who has dedicated much of her life to helping those is in distress, you nonchalantly dismiss the lives saved simply because you disagree with a possible political vote. Really?
What have you done in your life for people that you don't know JVM? Don't bother to tell tell me, because you only did it for yourself, for your own ego, of course.
And to end with a trite little quasi-Hindu maxim. Oh dear.
 
The Ruthsayer said:
Thoughtful and articulate Chutney. The position of your partner mirrors mine very closely. Ms Ruthsayer has spent decades volunteering for CAB, MIND, Samaritans on tough front line roles, often working 40 hours per week, but she is deeply unsettled by this issue. And to exemplify the politicisation you allude to above, she will not countenance voting Labour (or Green) given Starmer’s inability to articulate what a woman is.
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That's exactly my wife's view on voting. Former Green Party member and Labour voter, she now describes herself as "politically homeless" due to this issue and has just spoiled her ballot paper the last few times she's voted.
 
Chutney said:
That's exactly my wife's view on voting. Former Green Party member and Labour voter, she now describes herself as "politically homeless" due to this issue and has just spoiled her ballot paper the last few times she's voted.
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Off subject and a genuine question - what difference does it make turning up and spoiling a paper rather than just not bothering to vote? Are spoiled papers counted and then seen as a measure of the level of protest? I can't remember it actually being discussed or reported as such.
 
Rofesleg said:
Off subject and a genuine question - what difference does it make turning up and spoiling a paper rather than just not bothering to vote? Are spoiled papers counted and then seen as a measure of the level of protest? I can't remember it actually being discussed or reported as such.
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Yeah, spoiled ballots are counted - demonstrates engagement rather than apathy. And postal votes rather than actually turning up - she's not a complete loon.
 
Pembroke said:
The rhetoric cannot be the same unless sexuality, race and gender are conflated together. The rhetoric of 2023 also linguistically did not exist in the 50's, 60 and indeed till the 2000's. The trans of 2023 is not the trans of decades in the last century. The trans term has become a umbrella of varying meanings.

There are sadly famous cases of rapists who identify as women, including those who start identifying as transgender when they enter prison.
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There many famous men who identify as men and who have been a rapist and many more who have not been prosecuted, I am assuming your underlying point is wanting to protect women, who do you think women are most at risk from?
 
Corco65 said:
There many famous men who identify as men and who have been a rapist and many more who have not been prosecuted, I am assuming your underlying point is wanting to protect women, who do you think women are most at risk from?
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Women are most at risk from men.

A man pretending to be a woman doesn't reduce the risk.

Allowing men to pretend to be women and giving them access to women's spaces increases the risk.
 
Corco65 said:
There many famous men who identify as men and who have been a rapist and many more who have not been prosecuted, I am assuming your underlying point is wanting to protect women, who do you think women are most at risk from?
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In answer to your question the male sex hence society has created safeguards like single sex spaces that uphold women's (female) rights to dignity. privacy and safety.

Does allowing males who self ID as trans women into female single sex spaces alter risk? Do trans women display sexual offending patterns of females, or males?
 
Pembroke said:
In answer to your question the male sex hence society has created safeguards like single sex spaces that uphold women's (female) rights to dignity. privacy and safety.

Does allowing males who self ID as trans women into female single sex spaces alter risk? Do trans women display sexual offending patterns of females, or males?
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Hi, Pembroke. I've really missed you. Your horrible transphobic posts really brighten up my day.
 
bumface said:
Hi, Pembroke. I've really missed you. Your horrible transphobic posts really brighten up my day.
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I am sorry that you have missed me, however I don't recall any of your posts.

I think that claim there, should require evidence. Could you highlight what I have posted in the thread that is transphobic?
 
Pembroke said:
I am sorry that you have missed me, however I don't recall any of your posts.

I think that claim there, should require evidence. Could you highlight what I have posted in the thread that is transphobic?
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You only ever crawl out of the woodwork when this topic comes up. You're obsessed.
 
Pembroke said:
I am sorry that you have missed me, however I don't recall any of your posts.

I think that claim there, should require evidence. Could you highlight what I have posted in the thread that is transphobic?
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Holding a responsible and laudable role in society is not acceptable to certain members of this board. Or so it would appear.
 
bumface said:
You only ever crawl out of the woodwork when this topic comes up.
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That literally was not an answer to the question.

Could you highlight what I have posted in the thread that is transphobic?

Was it the posts about Karen White? Do you think Karen White, a rapist is a woman and should be housed in the female estate?

Was it mentioning the equalities act? Which part of the act do you find objectionable? Race? Sex? Only a witch would object to that. Are you a racist misogynist?
 
Anyone of the age of most of the old gits on here must be blind if they can’t see the direct parallels between the homophobic backlash of the 80s and the transphobic backlash now.

But those who can’t, and just spout the same tired old bigotry, are an irrelevance. Because no one under 30 cares. Just as they didn’t back then. And pretty soon in the grand scheme of things we’ll be dead and they won’t be. So you all crack on. The argument is lost. Demography and mortality always wins.
 
The Ruthsayer said:
Thoughtful and articulate Chutney. The position of your partner mirrors mine very closely. Ms Ruthsayer has spent decades volunteering for CAB, MIND, Samaritans on tough front line roles, often working 40 hours per week, but she is deeply unsettled by this issue. And to exemplify the politicisation you allude to above, she will not countenance voting Labour (or Green) given Starmer’s inability to articulate what a woman is.
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Just as an aside - I’m not sure I can articulate what a woman is.
I think (?) I’m happy for an individual to decide. One thing I’m certainly worried about is using the ‘biological’ formula.

More on topic.
At the last census I read that 48000 people identified as trans. That is a tiny, tiny proportion of our population.
Opinions are really strong given this.

Clearly women’s safety is paramount as is (IMO) a person’s right to choose their identity.
Inevitably the debate gets drawn to extremes - some will pray on women.

No idea what the answer is because each option causes potential harm either to those seeking to transition or non trans women who may be attacked.
 
FishofContemplation said:
Anyone of the age of most of the old gits on here must be blind if they can’t see the direct parallels between the homophobic backlash of the 80s and the transphobic backlash now.

But those who can’t, and just spout the same tired old bigotry, are an irrelevance. Because no one under 30 cares. Just as they didn’t back then. And pretty soon in the grand scheme of things we’ll be dead and they won’t be. So you all crack on. The argument is lost. Demography and mortality always wins.
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I enjoy your posts FoC, but I think you are completely wrong here. Those who are concerned are not homophobic bigots, but males and females who believe that the status and safety of females is being undermined here.
My grandnieces, who are well under 30, care deeply about this issue.
Demography will not ‘win’, unless you eradicate the female gender.
 
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