We didnt turn up. Like at Burnley

BoroMart

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Or even by the end of this month..................;)
In the summer it is unlikley that Sunderland will have Stewart or Diallo their two best players. Plus out of contract players include Batth, Evans, Pritchard Roberts and O''Nien will also enter the final 12 months of contract and might have to be sold if a good bid comes in. That's half their first team that you would think they would want to keep hold off but will have to up wages significantly to do so. Not in a great position for them.
 

TheHolgate

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In the summer it is unlikley that Sunderland will have Stewart or Diallo their two best players. Plus out of contract players include Batth, Evans, Pritchard Roberts and O''Nien will also enter the final 12 months of contract and might have to be sold if a good bid comes in. That's half their first team that you would think they would want to keep hold off but will have to up wages significantly to do so. Not in a great position for them.

Their ownership is a mess. They are there to buy cheap and sell them on. Mogga has been on message in his interviews telling them all this every chance he gets.

They will have a meltdown once Newcastle really get going - winning cups etc.
 

BoroMart

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There was no foul there. If that’s a foul then everything is a foul. If that’s a foul then we should have had one in the first half. It was nothing. Stewart dived. It’s cheating. But such is the modern game.

The game did highlight how far away we are though. Crooks up top, Forss on the right, only Howson and Hackney to choose from really in the centre. We need good players in.
I think by the laws of the game the bicep pull is a foul, but it's so far from goal that to give a red would be difficult. Beyond that I don't think there was a foul.
 

BobendBert

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I think by the laws of the game the bicep pull is a foul, but it's so far from goal that to give a red would be difficult. Beyond that I don't think there was a foul.
But then as I say everything is a foul. It’s jostling. It happens everywhere on the pitch.
 

Duffman

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Initially I thought it just seemed surprisingly like we were not up for it today. From the off we were overrun and second to the loose ball far too often. We didn't impose ourselves on the game as we all would have hoped. On reflection I think Mowbray did a number on us. He closed us down, flooded the space hurrying and harassing Howson and Hackney and made our full backs defend - which is not their strength. Most importantly, they exposed ruthlessly the issue we all know we have - a lack of pace in the centre of the defence. The balls over the top and between the full back and centre back did us far too often. Plenty for Carrick think about but we don’t become a bad side overnight and the coaching staff will learn a lot from re- watching the game - particularly where we need to strengthen. Keep the faith, next six games are massive and a win against Watford will get the positive vibes going again.
 

BoroMart

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ah didn't realise that was a mackem posting that, read it as if it was a boro fan, because, you know, it's a boro board. You might have played better and got worse results, not really relevent to the analysis of today. I thought you were competitive and competent, but uncreative, you had a good shape out of possession today, but I don't think we were at our best to test you properly.
 

TheHolgate

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The more I look at it, the more I believe it is a disgraceful decision.

It isn't a foul, if it is a foul then it is a free kick. Absolute joke tbh. 11 men different game against their shoddy defence.
 

Hoolio

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ah didn't realise that was a mackem posting that, read it as if it was a boro fan, because, you know, it's a boro board. You might have played better and got worse results, not really relevent to the analysis of today. I thought you were competitive and competent, but uncreative, you had a good shape out of possession today, but I don't think we were at our best to test you properly.
You played as well as we let you to be fair 👍
 

indeedido

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I don't think Stewart is very good. Diallo and Clarke are better players for me.

If Stewart goes down with the initial foul, Fry is last man and a foul prevents a clear goalscoring opportunity. Fry has to go off for it, but
he shouldn't have fouled him as Stewart would not have scored.
From a free kick that far out, they would not have scored.
Steffan did poorly with a really bad penalty, that should never have been.

The second goal Steffan simply stands and watches without moving anything yet again.

Akpom is clearly taken out in the area late on. Maybe we score the clear penalty, maybe we grab a very unlikely point, but I think it had gone.
A 1 goal home win would have been right today on the balance of play, it is hard to argue otherwise.
 

S7DiscoDown

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You'd argue nobody 'turns up' at Burnley. They are far and away the best team in the league. They are not Dyche's Burnley.

Just beaten by 2 very good sides. Sunderlands front 4 are as good as anything we've come up against.

Im not sure why people think we should just win every match. It's a hard league and we ars much improved. Don't see any issues losing to Burnley or Sunderland.
 

r00fie1

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12 League Games under Michael Carrick:

Won: 9
Drawn 1
Lost 3
Points: 28 out of 39
Percentage win: 69%

Current Form [Includes v Sunlun]
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InglebyUTB

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The officials helped them, but they deserved to win. At half time I’d have had few complaints if they were 2-0 up. We simply didn’t turn up.

The goalkeeper has been discussed at length, he was poor. But Giles wasn’t much better. It was clear that Mowbray set-up to pin him back with Diallo, so it was important when he did get chances to go forward he delivered quality. Every cross he hit was awful, didn’t deliver one quality ball all game. For their 2nd goal, Roberts is left footed. Surely he knows this, they must do prep work where this is highlighted. So why is he letting him come inside onto his left foot?

Forss was anonymous. Akpom was very frustrating, there were several occasions he could have played in team mates but refused to release the ball.

Central midfield is a must improve area this window, we cannot rely on Hackney and Howson for the remainder of the season.
 

indeedido

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The officials helped them, but they deserved to win. At half time I’d have had few complaints if they were 2-0 up. We simply didn’t turn up.

The goalkeeper has been discussed at length, he was poor. But Giles wasn’t much better. It was clear that Mowbray set-up to pin him back with Diallo, so it was important when he did get chances to go forward he delivered quality. Every cross he hit was awful, didn’t deliver one quality ball all game. For their 2nd goal, Roberts is left footed. Surely he knows this, they must do prep work where this is highlighted. So why is he letting him come inside onto his left foot?

Forss was anonymous. Akpom was very frustrating, there were several occasions he could have played in team mates but refused to release the ball.

Central midfield is a must improve area this window, we cannot rely on Hackney and Howson for the remainder of the season.
Almost totally agree, though I think we can rely on Hackney, who is already way more important to us than "Johnny off the pace".
 

changingman

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Midfield is rightly pinpointed - struggled yesterday big time. Movement from Sunderland's front four was impressive which dragged our two deep and wide at times. Also their central 2 sat deep so we couldn't really push onto them, or risk opening up a massive gap in front of our defence.

Micoud(?) looks a very good player and much more technical than the lad he replaced. Again, we struggled to track his movement at times.

On reflection, we might have been better suited to playing a 3 in the middle against them yesterday. I think if you can push Roberts and Clarke out wide they can't really hurt you as their crossing is mixed at best.
 

InglebyUTB

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Almost totally agree, though I think we can rely on Hackney, who is already way more important to us than "Johnny off the pace".

Yeah I think Hackney was one of our better players, it's more with him that I'd be very worried if he was injured.
 

Boro

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Initially I thought it just seemed surprisingly like we were not up for it today. From the off we were overrun and second to the loose ball far too often. We didn't impose ourselves on the game as we all would have hoped. On reflection I think Mowbray did a number on us. He closed us down, flooded the space hurrying and harassing Howson and Hackney and made our full backs defend - which is not their strength. Most importantly, they exposed ruthlessly the issue we all know we have - a lack of pace in the centre of the defence. The balls over the top and between the full back and centre back did us far too often. Plenty for Carrick think about but we don’t become a bad side overnight and the coaching staff will learn a lot from re- watching the game - particularly where we need to strengthen. Keep the faith, next six games are massive and a win against Watford will get the positive vibes going again.
Yes Mogga got it right I thought especially in the first period. Sit back let us fanny around, pounce when we tried to advance and counter quickly. It worked.
 
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