Watmore

Diego

Diego

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After last nights performance i am positive Wilder is calling it right with having Watmore as a super sub. Doesn’t have the same level of impact when he starts games as he looks like he’s trying to pace himself for the whole game so he can last it and doesn’t look as bright and explosive. When he comes off the bench he just absolutely goes for it for 30 minutes and frightens the life out of the opposition.

Connolly and Balogun Saturday please and Watmore to come on and make another significant impact with Coburn too. Sporar 5th choice for me now.
 
That was a terrible miss at the end. Time, space and the goal gaping, and he smashed it into row Z.

There'll be the usual "everyone misses sometime" responses, but he, Sporar and Connolly need a lot of good chances to score a goal. He's part of the problem, not part of the solution.
 
Soutra said:
That was a terrible miss at the end. Time, space and the goal gaping, and he smashed it into row Z.

There'll be the usual "everyone misses sometime" responses, but he, Sporar and Connolly need a lot of good chances to score a goal. He's part of the problem, not part of the solution.
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Not sure if you're taking the p£s@ mate but watmore will never ever be part of the problem...he is exactly what makes boro fans get out of their seats.... I love him....he's scored and assisted so much this season....love him...
I agree with the impact statement however....which maybe doesn't make him perfect...but he definitely has a big role to play in this club in the premiership
 
You may have noticed Mitrovic also missed a very good chance in the first half when clean through. All players even the best in the division miss sometimes. When that late chance fell, if I could have chosen who it fell to I would have chosen Watmore.
 
I love Watmore, but I'd agree, he has more impact against tired legs than he does starting.

He struggles over a full 90 minutes, I was surprised that neither Connolly or Balogun came on for him in the second half.
 
Diego said:
After last nights performance i am positive Wilder is calling it right with having Watmore as a super sub. Doesn’t have the same level of impact when he starts games as he looks like he’s trying to pace himself for the whole game so he can last it and doesn’t look as bright and explosive. When he comes off the bench he just absolutely goes for it for 30 minutes and frightens the life out of the opposition.

Connolly and Balogun Saturday please and Watmore to come on and make another significant impact with Coburn too. Sporar 5th choice for me now.
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His finishing is erratic at times, but then he's never been a centre forward as such. You have to consider the opposition last night however when looking at his overall game, as a team we struggled to really impact the game until later on in the match, i don't think you can look in isolation at Watmore's performance.

Overall though i just think Wilder will pick who he thinks is the best for each game and there's a bit of over analysis of the options on here. Thery all have strenghts and glaring weaknesses, and i'm sure Wilder will be addressing it in the summer whichever league we're in.
 
He started yesterday as we needed his pace without Jones in the team.

Terrible calling him "part of the problem" given what he has brought to the club for the club since signing for FREE. He's hardly a Fletcher, Britt, Rudy type is he.
 
Diego said:
After last nights performance i am positive Wilder is calling it right with having Watmore as a super sub. Doesn’t have the same level of impact when he starts games as he looks like he’s trying to pace himself for the whole game so he can last it and doesn’t look as bright and explosive. When he comes off the bench he just absolutely goes for it for 30 minutes and frightens the life out of the opposition.

Connolly and Balogun Saturday please and Watmore to come on and make another significant impact with Coburn too. Sporar 5th choice for me now.
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Completely agree. Think it's also the right thing to do in terms of reducing his injury risk given the issues he's had over the years on that front.

I'm sure he'd ideally want to play the 90, but at this stage in his career "super-sub" under Wilder might be the best thing that could happen to him.

Could potentially extend his career by a couple of years and because of the way Wilder plays and the work he asks his forwards to get through, he's almost guaranteed 20-30 mins every game. And more often than not he'll make a bigger impact, see more of the ball and probably enjoy his time on the pitch in that half hour spell than he would playing the full 90 anyway.
 
He did almost score right at the end surely we can’t form this opinion after one game and against the top team .
Having said that you might be right 😂
I think coburn will probably be our top scorer eventually given game time . It wouldn’t surprise me if he starts against hull and is selected first based on that outcome for the rest of the season
 
Middlesbrough123 said:
He did almost score right at the end surely we can’t form this opinion after one game and against the top team .
Having said that you might be right 😂
I think coburn will probably be our top scorer eventually given game time . It wouldn’t surprise me if he starts against hull and is selected first based on that outcome for the rest of the season
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It’s not a negative. I absolutely love Watmore and he’s probably my favourite striker at the club but I think his best role is coming on and impacting games. He’s a massive part of the team and squad and of course if he will get starts too.
 
Middlesbrough123 said:
He did almost score right at the end surely we can’t form this opinion after one game and against the top team .
Having said that you might be right 😂
I think coburn will probably be our top scorer eventually given game time . It wouldn’t surprise me if he starts against hull and is selected first based on that outcome for the rest of the season
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It was nowhere near almost, his shot hit the stratosphere.
He should have scored though.

I think part of the reason for the shot being so wildly off target could have been fatigue, though maybe it was just a lack of composure in a crucial situation, he's had a few misses like that since we've signed him.

One of our best value signings in a long time, seems like a great guy, and he's scored some crucial goals, but I do think he's playing better coming off the bench right now.
 
TeaCider said:
I love Watmore, but I'd agree, he has more impact against tired legs than he does starting.

He struggles over a full 90 minutes, I was surprised that neither Connolly or Balogun came on for him in the second half.
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I think because our wingbacks were poor going forward that cost us a chance to bring on Connolly or Balogun for Sporar/Watmore
 
Alzi said:
He started yesterday as we needed his pace without Jones in the team.

Terrible calling him "part of the problem" given what he has brought to the club for the club since signing for FREE. He's hardly a Fletcher, Britt, Rudy type is he.
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No, he's not like Assombalonga and co.

But the problem - and this is undeniable - is non scoring strikers. 45 games into the season and nobody is even in double figures yet for goal scoring. OGs are a vital part of the goals scored column.

So in a team of non scorers, he's just another non scoring striker. That's why he's part of the problem.

He gives everything in every game but that's not really enough if there's no end product.
 
The problem last night was timid wing backs and wing back selection.
When Bola (who should have started) came on and Tav switched for McGree we got forward with purpose. Interestingly we finished so strongly and deserved to win the game with Sporar and Watmore up front.
I'm not knocking either Peltier or Taylor, but it was clear they unsurprisingly didn't offer anything going forward. None of our forwards would have prospered in the first hour.
Instead of taking the two strikers who had done well off, he rightly kept them on and fixed the problem which was of his own initial making with his subs.

If Jones can't make it saturday, I would bring McGree in for Tav and put Tav to RWB, and start Bola. I prefer Sporar and Watmore and from the start, but it's hard for any of the strikers to play with wing backs who are not wing backs.
 
indeedido said:
When Bola (who should have started) came on and Tav switched for McGree we got forward with purpose. Interestingly we finished so strongly and deserved to win the game with Sporar and Watmore up front.
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I suspect he didn't want to play Bola twice in a week after 3 months of injury.

Sporar and Watmore didn't fill anyone with confidence that they are the answer.

Starting Partnership stats:

Watmore & Sporar 9 games, 10 team goals scored, 10 goals conceded, W3 D3 L3 (12 Points in 9 games)
Sporar & Connolly, 4 games, scored 4, conceded 4, W2 L2 6 Points (6 points in 4 games)
Connolly & Balogun 7 games, scored 9 conceded 11, W5 D1 L1 (16 points in 7 games)


It's a team game, I don't care who scores as long as we win. We get our best results and form when we start Connolly & Balogun up top. Although we haven't tried Watmore&Connolly, Watmore&Balogun or Sporar&Balogun
 
BoroMart said:
I suspect he didn't want to play Bola twice in a week after 3 months of injury.

Sporar and Watmore didn't fill anyone with confidence that they are the answer.

Starting Partnership stats:

Watmore & Sporar 9 games, 10 team goals scored, 10 goals conceded, W3 D3 L3 (12 Points in 9 games)
Sporar & Connolly, 4 games, scored 4, conceded 4, W2 L2 6 Points (6 points in 4 games)
Connolly & Balogun 7 games, scored 9 conceded 11, W5 D1 L1 (16 points in 7 games)


It's a team game, I don't care who scores as long as we win. We get our best results and form when we start Connolly & Balogun up top. Although we haven't tried Watmore&Connolly, Watmore&Balogun or Sporar&Balogun
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The games and points are right but some of your goals figures are out.
Sporar and Connolly 4 matches, W2 L2 Pts 6 but Scored 4, Conceded 6 (Spanked at Sheff U)
Connolly & Balogun 7 matches, W5, D1, L1 Pts 16, but Scored 15, Conceded 5.
But it only strengthens your argument about starting with Balogun and Connolly.

Those are the figures under Wilder.
Ironically the only starting partnership with a 100% record was Sporar with Hernandez, where we beat both Forest and Blackpool (4-1)

I would still like my strikers to score and Connolly doesn't.
But the truth is in 22 league matches since Wilder came, 44 starting striker positions have yielded only 11 goals from the 5 different lads who have started ( Sporar 5, Watmore 2, Balogun 2, Connolly 2, Hernandez 0 )
We have scored just 33 goals.
Watmore has 4 from the bench, Balogun and Coburn 1 each, so our 5 strikers have scored just 17 goals in the 22 matches which is not good.
Non strikers have 16, with Crooks netting 5 of them, 4 Own Goals, McNair 3, Tav 2, Jones 1, Fry 1.

We need more goals from our forwards, whoever plays up front and the 5 we have will all have to play a part in our last ten matches of this season.
 
indeedido said:
I would still like my strikers to score and Connolly doesn't.
But the truth is in 22 league matches since Wilder came, 44 starting striker positions have yielded only 11 goals from the 5 different lads who have started ( Sporar 5, Watmore 2, Balogun 2, Connolly 2, Hernandez 0 )
We have scored just 33 goals.
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Me too, but it's a team game and I want the team to win above any 'glory' of a 15-20 goal striker. In fact having goals spread about makes it harder to shut one player out and keep us quiet and less susceptible to an injury to a key goalscorer.

33 goals in 22 games that works out at 69 goals over a season. That would get us 4th top scorers over the last 2 seasons. I'd take 4th top scorers right now, or tweak it up to 2nd or 3rd
 
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