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SmallTown

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One of my favourite drivers, Jamie Chadwick, I now multiple champion.

Given it's equivalent of f3 it'll be interesting to so if she gets an f2 driver next year. Let's hope the w series isn't just a token gesture towards equality in motorracing and it's an actual stepping stone to greatness
 
I agree and as some one who watches Indy car and have for years it’s crazy how far behind f1and f2 have been.

we all remember Giovanni Amata brief spell at brabham and well that’s it.
 
zorro_mfc said:
I agree and as some one who watches Indy car and have for years it’s crazy how far behind f1and f2 have been.

we all remember Giovanni Amata brief spell at brabham and well that’s it.
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Yeah, having Danica Patrick do the sky stuff on Sunday was telling!

f1 has had plenty of female test drivers from Calderón to the not great Jorda to the lady whose name escapes me who tragically lost an eye and eventually her life in a testing crash but doesn't seem willing to give female drivers a chance. Chadwick has won an f3 level championship twice now. Surely that's enough for an f2 drive? WEC seem to be way ahead on the equality with an all female lmp2 team and all female gte pro team. It's still not enough in my Opinion. They've at least invited chadwick and Alice Powell form the w series to their test event
 
SmallTown said:
Yeah, having Danica Patrick do the sky stuff on Sunday was telling!

f1 has had plenty of female test drivers from Calderón to the not great Jorda to the lady whose name escapes me who tragically lost an eye and eventually her life in a testing crash but doesn't seem willing to give female drivers a chance. Chadwick has won an f3 level championship twice now. Surely that's enough for an f2 drive? WEC seem to be way ahead on the equality with an all female lmp2 team and all female gte pro team. It's still not enough in my Opinion. They've at least invited chadwick and Alice Powell form the w series to their test event
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Whilst Danica was fun to watch racing, with that no **** given attitude which I love, her racing career with lots of 'firsts' only amounted to one win and that was the 2008 Indy Japan 300 at Motegi. A few second places and podiums here and there too.

Is it the physical aspect of top tier motor racing that maybe prevents more women making it than anything else? In saying that Danica is a beast to be able to wrestle stock cars around the non oval tracks like Road Atlanta and Road America to name two.
 
The hardest part of getting into f2 is having the money or finding sponsors to pay, saw an article showing the costs for f2/3 and it’s millions for a season. That’s usually just as important as having the talent.
Im sure that being so successful in the W series should hopefully attract sponsors as she definitely deserves a f2 seat next year
 
Randy said:
Whilst Danica was fun to watch racing, with that no ***** given attitude which I love, her racing career with lots of 'firsts' only amounted to one win and that was the 2008 Indy Japan 300 at Motegi. A few second places and podiums here and there too.

Is it the physical aspect of top tier motor racing that maybe prevents more women making it than anything else? In saying that Danica is a beast to be able to wrestle stock cars around the non oval tracks like Road Atlanta and Road America to name two.
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No. The physical aspect shouldn’t pose any problems. It’s attitude that is the issue
 
SmallTown said:
but doesn't seem willing to give female drivers a chance
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In F1 any advantage is sought out to the thousandth of the second, the milligram or to the financial benefit of the team. I just can't imagine if there was a female driver who could match or improve on any of those things in comparison to a male driver a team principal wouldn't be all over it like a rash. It may not have been the case three or four years ago, but I think it is only a matter of time and Chadwick is the obvious one who is going to break through.

The only issue is she (whoever the 'she' is) will have to bring sponsorship with her, as there is already way too much rich dad/F1 dad influence. And the budget cap is only going to exasperate that IMHO.
 
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SmallTown said:
No. The physical aspect shouldn’t pose any problems. It’s attitude that is the issue
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Surely bone density and muscle mass must play a bit of a part. On some tracks doesn't an F1 drivers head weigh 80 kilos with the contents and helmet plus the 'G' on some corners?

That is a physical thing the males additional muscle mass and bone density will help with. But reaction times and anything else there shouldn't be any difference, and a females smaller frame and reduced size will probably have an aerodynamic or cockpit packaging benefit that a George Russel would never allow.
 
Caesium137 said:
Surely bone density and muscle mass must play a bit of a part. On some tracks doesn't an F1 drivers head weigh 80 kilos with the contents and helmet plus the 'G' on some corners?

That is a physical thing the males additional muscle mass and bone density will help with. But reaction times and anything else there shouldn't be any difference, and a females smaller frame and reduced size will probably have an aerodynamic or cockpit packaging benefit that a George Russel would never allow.
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Yes they are pulling g. Which is relative to their own bodyweight. Whether you're Jamie chadwick or Yuki Tsunoda there "g" will be less than a relative giant for f1 like Russell. Modern cars, the only physical quality needed is endurance to take all the forces without fatigue. In that regard a bet there is no difference.

The simple fact is its one of the few sports that women and men can compete as equals. The only other I can think of is equestrianism. The reason they don't currently has nothing to do with bone density are any other mysgonist "strength" argument you can come up with. It's to do with lack of representation, lack of role models, less chance to get ahead.
 
SmallTown said:
Yes they are pulling g. Which is relative to their own bodyweight. Whether you're Jamie chadwick or Yuki Tsunoda there "g" will be less than a relative giant for f1 like Russell. Modern cars, the only physical quality needed is endurance to take all the forces without fatigue. In that regard a bet there is no difference.

The simple fact is its one of the few sports that women and men can compete as equals. The only other I can think of is equestrianism. The reason they don't currently has nothing to do with bone density are any other mysgonist "strength" argument you can come up with. It's to do with lack of representation, lack of role models, less chance to get ahead.
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Males being stronger isn't misogynist at all, it is a fact.

It isn't only relative to their body weight though, the helmet and hams device weigh six or seven kilos too.

Whilst I totally agree there has been traditionally a lot less chances, plenty of women have got to a pretty high level in motorsport and not cut it against the best of their male counterparts.

I don't think that's deliberately some Machiavellian scheme to deny women the opportunity. As I said F1 is all about finding tiny percentages that add up to giving your package an advantage. If a driver offers that, there's no way a team will turn that down.

Black drivers were massively under represented until one came along whose tremendous talent made him driving for a top team a formality.

It will happen for a female driver too, as soon as there's one good enough.

It is interesting you mention Tsunda, if he wasn't Japanese and backed by Honda he probably wouldn't be there. You can say the same for Latiffi, Mazepin and to a lesser extent Stroll too.

These sort of paid seats stop more young talented drivers getting to F1 more than anything else.
 
I think that Jamie Chadwick is contracted or works for the Williams F1 team. I am sure that they are giving her simulator runs, and hopefully some time in the car to see whether she is indeed up to the job yet. F1s limits on testing makes this difficult of course, and something needs to change in that respect for all up-and-coming young drivers.
 
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I think that Jamie Chadwick is contracted or works for the Williams F1 team. I am sure that they are giving her simulator runs, and hopefully some time in the car to see whether she is indeed up to the job yet. F1s limits on testing makes this difficult of course, and something needs to change in that respect for all up-and-coming young drivers.
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She is indeed. Plenty of female drivers have tested or done sim work for f1 teams. None seem to have had the opportunity to get their superlicence points though
 
Caesium137 said:
Males being stronger isn't misogynist at all, it is a fact.

It isn't only relative to their body weight though, the helmet and hams device weigh six or seven kilos too.

Whilst I totally agree there has been traditionally a lot less chances, plenty of women have got to a pretty high level in motorsport and not cut it against the best of their male counterparts.

I don't think that's deliberately some Machiavellian scheme to deny women the opportunity. As I said F1 is all about finding tiny percentages that add up to giving your package an advantage. If a driver offers that, there's no way a team will turn that down.

Black drivers were massively under represented until one came along whose tremendous talent made him driving for a top team a formality.

It will happen for a female driver too, as soon as there's one good enough.

It is interesting you mention Tsunda, if he wasn't Japanese and backed by Honda he probably wouldn't be there. You can say the same for Latiffi, Mazepin and to a lesser extent Stroll too.

These sort of paid seats stop more young talented drivers getting to F1 more than anything else.
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Agree on the pay drivers thing. Disagree on the physical thing. Not I a modern car, no
 
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