Vinyl Outsells CDs For the First Time Since 1987

My son (17 yo) got a record player for Xmas so we went to the record fair at boro Town hall on tues morning. I thought we might be the only ones there, but it was very busy.
I was there too and saw another board member. I bought 4 LPs even though I haven't got a turntable. Looking to get one soon, mind.
 
The crossover on sales is more to do with CD's being superceded by streaming. This has, probably pushed sales of vinyl because you may as well stream as listen to a CD.
Clearly rather obvious what’s happened to cd sales but that said it is still a great milestone to see an old music source making such a comeback.
 
Genuine question, for vinyl lovers. Is it really worth it when you can stream it all for next to nowt in Dolby Atmos etc?

Obviously there’s a financial outlay per album, but also, can you actually be bothered to take it out the sleeve, put the needle on it etc, when you can just Alexa to do it all for you?

I can imagine getting into it for a few days/weeks and then six months down the line just thinking “why did I buy that turntable and all those LPs?”.
 
Genuine question, for vinyl lovers. Is it really worth it when you can stream it all for next to nowt in Dolby Atmos etc?

Obviously there’s a financial outlay per album, but also, can you actually be bothered to take it out the sleeve, put the needle on it etc, when you can just Alexa to do it all for you?

I can imagine getting into it for a few days/weeks and then six months down the line just thinking “why did I buy that turntable and all those LPs?”.
Sound my dear boy. The sound. Plus the artwork on both the sleeves and the vinyl itself are collectible. A stream is pretty much an intangible asset.
 
Sound my dear boy. The sound. Plus the artwork on both the sleeves and the vinyl itself are collectible. A stream is pretty much an intangible asset.
I understand the point about the artwork, and I used to love spending hours looking at artwork on both vinyl and CD as a youngster. Nowadays I just can’t imagine ever having the time.

But regarding sound, although it’s crackly and “authentic” and a lot of older albums were MEANT to sound like that, is it actually “better”, or just different?

About 3 years ago I found myself with a night to myself at my parents’ house and they were out. I listened to some Beatles and Donna Summer (as well as my old T-U-R-T-L-E Power 45/single, one of the last records I ever bought). It was quite enjoyable from a novelty point of view, but I just can’t imagine being bothered enough to do it on a daily or even weekly basis. Obviously I’m missing something that a lot of other people get.
 
Genuine question, for vinyl lovers. Is it really worth it when you can stream it all for next to nowt in Dolby Atmos etc?

Obviously there’s a financial outlay per album, but also, can you actually be bothered to take it out the sleeve, put the needle on it etc, when you can just Alexa to do it all for you?

I can imagine getting into it for a few days/weeks and then six months down the line just thinking “why did I buy that turntable and all those LPs?”.
My living room setup is a Dolby Atmos speaker setup with Focal Aria 926 fronts, Dali Opticon 3 rears, Dali altecco atmos and a BK elec Monolith+ subwoofer. I listen to music through a Lyngdorf TDAI-1120 stereo amplifier for 2 channel and a denon 4500 receiver otherwise.

Most my listening is done through Spotify, but this year I bought my favourite bands new album on vinyl and then bought a Fluance RT-82 turntable.

Since then I've I've bought/been given (my dad gave me the last of his old vinyl collection, but bought most of it) 65 LP's which discogs tell me are worth from a median value of £1,500 to a max of £3,000

Audio wise, a high quality digital is higher "quality" than analogue on paper, but analogue has a nice sound to it, truer to how it should be, especially if you have the right equipment and it's a good quality master.- and many digital files are mastered poorly. Playing the same song side by side however you get more objective fidelity on digital than an LP, however a CD has even higher fidelity still, so we can put aside sound quality as neither will sound bad and if people wanted sound quality they'd be buying well mastered CD's and high end cd players.

Atmos for music imo isn't something I'm interested in; for movies I love it but my listening position changes when listening to music and therefore height and positioning isn't needed and to be honest I'd rather listen through good headphones than most speakers and with good headphones you already have a very wide sound stage in stereo anyway.

I quite like having a physical collection of something, especially having it look nice to use/play, and there are usually lyrics, photos, stories etc to look at inside the sleeve.

Your collection is your collection and has a value, digital things like Spotify accounts can disappear at any time - Spotify for example has never made a profit - it's a long game but they could lose that game and then you have to start again. Even if Spotify, or whatever service you use, stays around forever you still have licensing to deal with - music is available then it's not, so you lose access to it.

It's also not that cheap - you have basic Spotify, apple etc but the high fidelity versions of streaming services like tidal or qobuz cost more, and that's a subscription for essentially the rest of your life, when you stop it you lose everything.

In terms of listening habits, it makes me listen to albums more in their entirety. I've always been guilty of skipping to songs I like. You can do that with vinyl but it's harder, so I listen to things properly which has given me more appreciation.

I will usually sit and listen to at least one album a day. It's hardly any effort really - it takes about 30 seconds to get a record out and out it in the record player and engage the stylus.


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This post on Reddit sums it up nicely

"I want to start off by saying that I also think digital is the way forward due to its reliability and lack of defects. However at this moment in time, vinyl has some major benefits which justify its existence even when technically superior mediums like CD are available.

Digital releases have been engaging in a 'loudness war' for over a decade now. What this means is that the quiet parts of a track have had their loudness increased to match the louder parts of the same track. In the process of this loudness boost, the dynamics of the original track are lost which results in a more fatiguing and lower quality file. Here is an image which demonstrates the extent of bad mastering which is so prevalent on CD's. As you can see, the peaks which were prevalent in the top example are made redundant in the second one where nearly the entire song is made to be that loud.

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The reason this is done is due to evidence that louder mastering boosts sales and attracts more attention on small tinny speakers incapable of reproducing a track with a high level of dynamics. Since vinyl is not such a popular medium and is mainly targeted towards audiophiles and 'music afficianados' there is little incentive to apply the same process to vinyl releases. Even if there was a desire to apply loud mastering to the medium, physical constraints do not allow for such an extreme level of compression and loudness as seen on CD. The end result is that vinyl usually has substantially better mastering than their CD counterparts; look at the dynamic range in the CD version (1999) of Californication compared to the vinyl version (1999). This can make the difference between a tiresome wall of sound and a pleasing listening. You can read more on the effects of the loudness war here.

Another point, which is completely subjective, is that using a turntable to listen to music is much more involved than the simplicity of playing something on a computer or CD player. The user input required with a turntable; adjusting the platter, rotation speed, dropping the needle and swapping sides turns it into something of an activity whereas other methods of listening can often be something in the background. Again, this is completely subjective but there is no denying that there is a certain appeal to vinyl in the sense of it being a focal point. The larger artwork (12" compared to 4.75"), along with art inlays, also adds to the idea of vinyl demanding more attention - of being an item with similarities to a book, something to hold and flick through.

There's also the simple reason that people like to have hobbies or collections - vinyl has far more novelty to it than collecting CD's and is somewhat interesting to others. It's a good conversation starter and is quite well suited to social listening.

You understand that "some people use records due to the nostalgia" but you disagree with "those who think that vinyl is actually better quality, and give that as the reason why they use it." I hope I've helped show you that the qualitative benefits of vinyl don't rely on the supposed technical benefits of the medium but in the mastering of the information itself and also in its ability to engage the listener. The intent and focused listening that comes about as a result of flicking through LPs and picking one out, like you would at a library, invokes an emotional engagement unlike digital mediums - this in my opinion is far more important than sampling rates, noise levels and convenience when it comes to the perceived quality of any medium."
 
Also can't be understated how much impact some artists have on these sales. Taylor swift releasing her work on vinyl for example, I read she sold 500,000 copies in the first week or so which is impressive. Quite clever too as she made several variants all of which look nice, but encourages multiple copies to be bought.

There's even a signed photo in the pre-order ones- I presumed it was a print but it's an actual signed photo. Must have sat there for weeks!

Actually a really good album as well.
 
A lot of the reason why I got a deck is simply nostalgia. I have vivid childhood memories of listening to my dad's records and it's where I shaped my musical tastes. A lot of beatles and Dylan mostly.

I do like the experience of putting on a record. With streams I find it too tempting to pick up my phone and start skipping tracks, plus I'll only ever play music i already know or is recommeded by the algorithm. Going to record fairs I'll come across record's for pennies that I'll buy on a whim and take home to listen. Sometimes on ebay their are job lots of lps from genres like jazz, classical that helps expand my musical knowledge. The sound quality can amazing but as with everything it depends on the recording. I've listened to plenty of vinyl that sounds garbage. But when it's good it's 👌.
 
I’ve had a good think about where my passion for vinyl comes from: there is definitely the harking back to childhood thing; there is nothing that gets me as excited as going into a record shop, other than possibly a book shop; I love the searching for hidden gems too whilst crate digging; the sound of the vinyl is something I can’t quite describe but it again takes me back to being a youngster; I like the collecting angle too and reading about collecting; folk who come to the house always love messing on with the jukebox and saying, ‘Have you got so and so that we can put on?”

I’ve also made really lovely connections with folk on here re vinyl: alanmoodysdog, Norman Conquest, goalscrouger, little jimmy and concrete dreams.

And spending my pension on records seems to wind up my partner no end,which is always good sport.
 
Yes my partner as definitely spotted an advantage with the “activity” thing. With streaming services we have become ultra lazy human beings with everything done from the convenience of the couch. Don’t under estimate the value of jumping up every 20-30 mins to turn a record over.
 
Record Store days are big around the world. Queues at growing number of record stores is great to see with people searching for a newly released limited edition album. The next day is 22 April.
 
Reluctantly I sold the bulk of my vinyl to dealers at a record fair. I can at least say were easy to do business with. The best individual lps fetched £50, and would have sold for £100. I'm hanging on to one boxfull including some 12" Singles, the first one I ever bought, and one that doesn't appear on Spotify - 'The Shirts'.
 
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