Middlesbrough123
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I’m guessing the payment structure is no good and we have no one decent enough to bring in this window
Villa have competition for Rogers
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How many had he started up until West Brom? That was literally my point.
Air Resistance
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We don’t massively need to replace him like for like. We’ve already got Azaz, Crooks, Jones, McGree, Silvera, Hackney, Greenwood, Forss and a few others who could play in the 3 if needed.
What we need if a striker, and that’s regardless of whether Rogers goes or not.
uncle_rico
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Third bid is £7.5m with various add ons making it up to around £15m. There's no guarantee with add ons (see Spence), but if they're that far away off our valuation of £12m, its a non starter for me. He's under contract for another few years and we are under no pressure to sell. Unless Villa (or West Ham) get desperate, then I think he'll still be our player by Friday morning and will score a hat-trick on Sunday.
Colin Warnek
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If we sell him, we could do with strengthening in other areas. CF is a better idea.
Agree with this. The aim this season is to try to clinch 6th place (I think we'll miss out) and best way to do that is to get a decent striker in. If MR stays or leaves this window I don't think that changes our chances for top 6 one way or another.
Bruce
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Started 3 in a row. Bench for 2. Has since started last 6 in a row. Plus 3 out of 4 cup games. Clearly he's now one of Carrick's first 11.
He has done what we wanted. Buy a 21 year old and challenge him to grab a place in the team. He's done that and we still have over a 1/3rd of the season to go. Every chance he'll end the season as one of the top attacking midfielders in the league.
InglebyUTB
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As I’ve said several times on this post, stop quoting £15m. We have not been offered £15m.
Scrug
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BigAl76
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How Middlesbrough as a club handle this is very important now. However, we must trust the process. I'd like to think that in Rogers we have a decent lad. Surely as part of the scouting process we would have been looking for the type of mentality in a player that wont down tools if he doesnt get his own way with transfers.
If we are looking at players to develop and make a profit on, we were always going to be a club that drives a hard negotiating stance. This can obviously unsettle players if they think they are being held back.
I'd like to think that Rogers will kick on if he stays. Rather than sulk and his performances dip. He must surely be aware that if the latter pans out, he wont be going anywhere soon. With the former, he gets his move in the summer - probably on more wages than what is being offered now, and we get more money than is being offered now.
Having said that, these are human beings we are dealing with and not algorithms on a spreadsheet. The people at the club seem to be confident that Rogers isnt going to spit his dummy out if he stays, but who knows.
If we are looking at players to develop and make a profit on, we were always going to be a club that drives a hard negotiating stance. This can obviously unsettle players if they think they are being held back.
I'd like to think that Rogers will kick on if he stays. Rather than sulk and his performances dip. He must surely be aware that if the latter pans out, he wont be going anywhere soon. With the former, he gets his move in the summer - probably on more wages than what is being offered now, and we get more money than is being offered now.
Having said that, these are human beings we are dealing with and not algorithms on a spreadsheet. The people at the club seem to be confident that Rogers isnt going to spit his dummy out if he stays, but who knows.
Scrug
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He’s not going to sulk for 3 & 1/2 years and ruin his own career. We really don’t need to sell.
viv_andersons_nana
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As said by someone earlier, at Stamford Bridge he was the only Boro player who looked even remotely capable of competing at that level. We’ve sort of had this before in some ways, when Karanka’s Boro went up and we saw that players who’d excelled in the Championship regularly have their arsès handed to them in the league above. I would say of the team that went up, only Downing really had the quality required to stay there.
We’re in a similar position now. Who from our squad would realistically become a Premier League footballer? I would say Hackney, Rogers and Van den Berg for sure. Perhaps Dieng. But not really anyone else, if we’re being honest. We have some other promising players but those first three are the stand-outs for me.
There’s a reason nobody came in for Aitor’s players, and it’s the same reason they’re sniffing around Rogers. It’s because they have a broad understanding of who is or isn’t good enough to step up. Rogers is good enough to make that step. If he goes now then personally I think it’s too early but he will be going at some point, it’s obvious imo.
But to read these fees of £7m rising to £15m, to me that’s just madness. You’re telling me selling Rogers for half of what we paid for Assombalonga and roughly the same as what we paid for Fletcher and Gestede 6-7 years ago is good business? Absolutely no chance. It would be so disappointing as a supporter to see the club doing a deal like that. West Ham paid £10m for Hugill 6 years ago FFS. £10m for a binman.
We’re in a similar position now. Who from our squad would realistically become a Premier League footballer? I would say Hackney, Rogers and Van den Berg for sure. Perhaps Dieng. But not really anyone else, if we’re being honest. We have some other promising players but those first three are the stand-outs for me.
There’s a reason nobody came in for Aitor’s players, and it’s the same reason they’re sniffing around Rogers. It’s because they have a broad understanding of who is or isn’t good enough to step up. Rogers is good enough to make that step. If he goes now then personally I think it’s too early but he will be going at some point, it’s obvious imo.
But to read these fees of £7m rising to £15m, to me that’s just madness. You’re telling me selling Rogers for half of what we paid for Assombalonga and roughly the same as what we paid for Fletcher and Gestede 6-7 years ago is good business? Absolutely no chance. It would be so disappointing as a supporter to see the club doing a deal like that. West Ham paid £10m for Hugill 6 years ago FFS. £10m for a binman.
Frozen Horse
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I could have lived with selling him for about £13 million up front, but with these "add ons" I think you have to assume, or at least allow for the possibility, that that the clause will never kick in. 7m guaranteed is too low. If that was the offer, we're right to reject.
Gunslinger
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16 goal involvements either goals or assists this season from a player who started off playing up front and out of position to then being in and out of the side
to being a key member of the side now
I think people have a mixed view on selling him because he has had ups and downs in his performancees, but the statistics show with a full season under his belt
he could be a real player worth a hell of a lot more than villa are offering
Why we would even contemplate selling him for 7.5 mill is beyond me, i cannot see any scenario going forward where his value drops the more minutes he gets
we can all see he has a high celing because of his technial ability
to being a key member of the side now
I think people have a mixed view on selling him because he has had ups and downs in his performancees, but the statistics show with a full season under his belt
he could be a real player worth a hell of a lot more than villa are offering
Why we would even contemplate selling him for 7.5 mill is beyond me, i cannot see any scenario going forward where his value drops the more minutes he gets
we can all see he has a high celing because of his technial ability
Frozen Horse
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Where's that stat from? I assume it must include league cup games as he's scored 2 in the league and certainly hasn't had 14 assists.
TeaCider
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2 goals and 6 assists in the league across 26 appearances, which is a very average return.
5 goals and 3 assists in the 7 cup games, which is more impressive, but all but the consolation Chelsea goal were against lower league opposition.
GibbosEmpire
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We should just say a fee that we want, pay it or **** off. He's got 3 and half years left on his contract, he isn't going anywhere soon unless we're happy with the fee.
