Mayor Goldie Wilson
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Did you watch any Premier League football over the weekend?!I like it ....I hope it stays...it is rare they get it wrong..
Did you watch any Premier League football over the weekend?!I like it ....I hope it stays...it is rare they get it wrong..
Yes....I did and I've also watched it the last couple of seasons...it helps way more than it Hinders....just my opinion of courseDid you watch any Premier League football over the weekend?!
The major problem with using ex-pros (the same problem using them as pundits but with no consequences) is they are often thick as mince and have never understood the game they played.I think the issue with using ex-pros is that the game (and its laws) are changing regularly.
New guidance to referees issued most seasons now - unless the ex-pro has literally just stopped playing, it would be a different game with different interpretations of the rules.
I think the issue with using ex-pros is that the game (and its laws) are changing regularly.
New guidance to referees issued most seasons now - unless the ex-pro has literally just stopped playing, it would be a different game with different interpretations of the rules.
Yeah, they don't know the rules (and a lot of them didn't know the rules when they played either), but you could have a ref with them or some rule geek explaining, and a panel of 5 or two panels of 5 could probably cover all the games simultaneously, from one centralised location. There's just too much money in it, to get this wrong. The ref's should be miked up, and have to explain a decision.The major problem with using ex-pros (the same problem using them as pundits but with no consequences) is they are often thick as mince and have never understood the game they played.
no chance, the issue isn't VAR by the way, it's the people using it and the processes.so, VAR…this weekend has to be the beginning of the end, surely?
It'll be the beginning of the end for the officials who were operating it for the Brighton, Chelsea and Newcastle games maybe but not for the technology which is absolutely fine; it just seems to be a real task to find anyone competent enough to use it with a real understanding of the game.so, VAR…this weekend has to be the beginning of the end, surely?
The review suggestion pops up all the time but I couldn't think of a worse use case for it than football. Barely anyone has a clear view so how do you decide when to use it but worst of all is what if you are conned multiple times in a game and the cheats get away with it because you are out of challenges. Many times VAR is checking stuff while the game is still going on, if it finds something it stops. When would there be a challenge? Also, anything that happens before the review calling time runs out would just be challenged. It would be used to stop games and time waste.Yeah, they don't know the rules (and a lot of them didn't know the rules when they played either), but you could have a ref with them or some rule geek explaining, and a panel of 5 or two panels of 5 could probably cover all the games simultaneously, from one centralised location. There's just too much money in it, to get this wrong. The ref's should be miked up, and have to explain a decision.
If it goes to VAR the ref should be taken out of the equation, why have one man decide, looking at a tiny screen, in the sunlight with 50,000 fans and 22 players shouting in his ear, that can't be easy to handle?
I've played some ball sports up to very high level and I've clearly not known the full rules well enough to officiate, as I've been put in my place countless times, yet from playing these sports at high levels you can understand what ref's can't.
The biggest bugbear for me is when some people say "he's hardly touched him", but when someone is running at 20k/hr even the slightest bit of contact can send you into a cartwheeling mess.
Offsides down to millimetres should not be overturned if they would change something awarded as a goal. The second they get the measuring stick out, forget it, it's close enough. The camera's on the players, or the ball are not accurate enough to be using <500mm accuracy on offsides.
Or maybe do away with enforced VAR and just have one-three appeals, if you get your appeal right, you retain it.
VAR and challenge systems work better in every single other sport, it's not the VAR which is the problem, it's how it's implemented, by who it's implemented and it's the lack of clarity on certain decisions.
VAR still gets a hell of a lot more right, than it does wrong, which is one critical thing to remember.
The review suggestion pops up all the time but I couldn't think of a worse use case for it than football. Barely anyone has a clear view so how do you decide when to use it but worst of all is what if you are conned multiple times in a game and the cheats get away with it because you are out of challenges. Many times VAR is checking stuff while the game is still going on, if it finds something it stops. When would there be a challenge? Also, anything that happens before the review calling time runs out would just be challenged. It would be used to stop games and time waste.
I think the current implementation is pretty good but just needs refining. Better referees, more transparency/communication, microphones on everyone, stamp out all kinds of cheating with very strict punishments and things would just go a lot smoother. Things like the Chelsea keeper writhing in agony. It's clearly cheating, there is no pain and that sort of overacting to get players penalised should be punished as seriously as the fouls.
Instead of having 1 Video Ref I would have 3 and they can independently make a decision. If there is a consensus and it changes the decision on the field then that's the decision. No consensus and the on-field decision stands. The referee doesn't need to go and watch it. They almost always agree with what they've been told anyway and when they don't, like with Michael Oliver this weekend, they are wrong but stubborn.
worst suggestion ever. Ex-pros often don't actually know the rules of the game, and will start applying "common sense"......that would be a mistake, they are rules not guidelines to be applied on a whim.It'll always be shyte until they actually start putting ex-pros in charge of making VAR decisions..
“We just need to train better referees” - some ones who aren’t biased towards the big clubs would be nice tooIt's here to stay.
We just need to better train referees, probably help by making it a more attractive career path.
I've no idea why you'd want to be a ref right now, you get dogs abuse for fairly meager pay, even at the highest level.
It's a key position in one of the most lucrative sports in the world and most PL playa earn more in a week than they do in a year.
We need to train better fans. If you've got 2 kids one week give everything to one and nothing to the other. Cakes chocolate fizzy drinks the lot. Other kid gets bread crusts. Next week switch it around. There will be temper tantrums and whatnot, but they will learn a very valuable lesson to take into adulthood. Sometimes you get **** all.“We just need to train better referees” - some ones who aren’t biased towards the big clubs would be nice too
nah, I strive to see improvement, its importantSeriously we don't need any of those things. We just need people to accept that sometimes decisions will go against you.