Mayor Goldie Wilson
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so, VAR…this weekend has to be the beginning of the end, surely?
VAR works brilliantly when used in International competitions, it is the PL refs who can't use it.As Shearer said....it's not VAR , it's how it's being applied
Exactly. It's being applied to goals.As Shearer said....it's not VAR , it's how it's being applied
Its entertainment. Controversy will always be a part of the game and and keeps these ‘expert’ pundits in a job. Theres good money in criticising refs.Ref's have been blamed, VAR has been blamed but no one has criticised the Chelsea goalkeeper for playing acting. If he wasn't or was hardly touched why was he down and rolling round, the players and their acting is making it very difficult for officials, yet they get the blame, the play acting is a disgrace but it's always someone else's fault and the exprofessionals and pundits don't call them out either, easier to point the finger at the ref and Var.
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Brilliant.
I couldn't agree with you more Lizards.Exactly this, it was brought in to counter "clear and obvious errors" but the ludicrous way in which it's used in the PL means we're arguing over the width of a toenail for an offside call or whatever.
The 30 seconds rule is a great one - if you need to analyze it for 5 minutes then it's not clear and obvious, and the refs decision remains.
I really dont see why this is so hard.
The 30s rule isn't a good one. The correct decision in 1 minute is better than the wrong one in 30 seconds or you might as well not have it at all. The ball is dead when the reviews are done so what is the problem? As above, transparency is the key. The offside reviews have already been changed so now it is only definite offsides that are given. It won't be long before this is done by AI and it will be instant and correct.Exactly this, it was brought in to counter "clear and obvious errors" but the ludicrous way in which it's used in the PL means we're arguing over the width of a toenail for an offside call or whatever.
The 30 seconds rule is a great one - if you need to analyze it for 5 minutes then it's not clear and obvious, and the refs decision remains.
I really dont see why this is so hard.
I'm not trolling here Gaz, but if ex-pros are used how to you prevent allegations of bias (however tenuous!)?It'll always be shyte until they actually start putting ex-pros in charge of making VAR decisions..
I'm not trolling here Gaz, but if ex-pros are used how to you prevent allegations of bias (however tenuous!)?
You only have to read how some fans overreact on places like here (and on the radio) to think it would be a minefield.
My son refereed at junior level when he was 15 and during that time he was threatened on two separate occasions by parents watching their child play.It's here to stay.
We just need to better train referees, probably help by making it a more attractive career path.
I've no idea why you'd want to be a ref right now, you get dogs abuse for fairly meager pay, even at the highest level.
It's a key position in one of the most lucrative sports in the world and most PL playa earn more in a week than they do in a year.
I agree with you in the main. My one rider with using ex-pro’s is they will have allegiances and prejudices built up during their playing days and their independence can and will at times be called into question, so great care and training would be needed to ensure they had as few of the possible biases as possible.It'll always be shyte until they actually start putting ex-pros in charge of making VAR decisions.. people who've actually played the game at decent level and who have a wealth of on field experience and know the "game" - not just its rules. I'm sure there's plenty of retired players around that are capable of adding common sense into the equation when something needs looking at.
Whoever runs VAR also needs to be held accountable, interviewed after a match in front to the cameras, explaining why such and such decision was made, good or bad, like managers and players have to.
The bottom line though is all they've done is taken one mans judgment - the on field referee - and given it to another mans judgement sat in a studio 100 miles away from the action. Yes it helps with decisions the ref missed in real time, but the contentions ones are still down to one persons judgement call like we saw at the weekend. Until that changes with the invent of some unbiased and neutral decision-making AI, those calls should at least be made by people who've actually played the game and have a wealth of on-field experience to back them up.