VAR inconsistencies this week

davidmills

davidmills

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Spurs v Soton game earlier in week ball clearly hits Spurs players hands in the box just before a penalty is given to Spurs for foul on edge of box.

Nothing is said about this by VAR.

Today Newcastle score in 90th minute v Liverpool but goal is disallowed by VAR as ball accidentally struck Wilson on arm before he scored.

What is the difference .

In tonight’s West Ham game Coufal does exactly same “foul” as incident in sending off 10 minutes earlier but Ref and VAR do nothing.

Where is the consistency.

Also tonight Brighton had a goal disallowed by VAR for offside, but to my eyes the ball went backwards not forward so surely offside shouldn’t apply
 
I think VAR. makes it worse. You can accept the ref making a error but when it is scrutinised by VAR and it still appears wrong. How is this better ?

The inconsistency might be something we can’t get away from due to different views and opinions. The Chelsea defenders hand ball on line was not given as had was by his side , but Wilson’s goal at Liverpool was handball and hand was by his side. (Perhaps this is down to the rules).

Still they inconsistent with in the same game by the same people it’s beyond belief. Like the West Ham game.

All still appear to be in favour of so called bigger clubs
 
The West Ham sending off was ridiculous. It'll get rescinded but that doesn't help West Ham.

The fact the second incident wasn't even looked at shows VAR for the utter shambles it is. Without consistency rules are nothing.

The Newcastle goal was called correctly given the current rules. Any advantage gained from the ball touching the arms in the lead up to a goal is penalised. That incident shows why it shouldn't be - there was nowhere else for Wilson to have his arms that would have been any more 'natural' and he didn't move them towards the ball in any way. For me, VAR should make it easier to relax the rules rather than have to tighten them up so freeze frames work.

The Brighton one would have been offside ten years ago. He never got back behind the ball.
 
Unfortunately it's still run by humans who see things differently. The whole thing has become a farce. It's actually making games almost unwatchable at times.

The constant delays during 'goals'. They check for a pen then they roll it back to check for offside or a foul in the 1st or 2nd phase of build up.... 😕

I think they have slightly got away with it due to no fans being in the ground. That said I think the bigger issue isn't VAR it's self it's changing of the rules to accommodate VAR. They are so fiddly trying to be perfect.

I hate this change where the flag doesn't go up for offsides. It can go up 10 seconds after a flowing move and the ball ends up in the net. It's basically becoming pointless celebrating.

I know Boro would have done ok out of it this season but I'm so glad it's not in the champo. I like just looking at a ref or lino running back to the center circle and you know it's a goal.
 
Scrote said:
The West Ham sending off was ridiculous. It'll get rescinded but that doesn't help West Ham.

The fact the second incident wasn't even looked at shows VAR for the utter shambles it is. Without consistency rules are nothing.

The Newcastle goal was called correctly given the current rules. Any advantage gained from the ball touching the arms in the lead up to a goal is penalised. That incident shows why it shouldn't be - there was nowhere else for Wilson to have his arms that would have been any more 'natural' and he didn't move them towards the ball in any way. For me, VAR should make it easier to relax the rules rather than have to tighten them up so freeze frames work.

The Brighton one would have been offside ten years ago. He never got back behind the ball.
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I thought the hand ball rule had changed again to stop the Wilson type scenarios. I am sure we have had a few this season where a ball has hit the had and a goal been given.

Got to a point now where I can’t keep up with constant tinkering of the rules. Fast becoming a game I no longer understand
 
The_Big_Woodowski said:
I thought the hand ball rule had changed again to stop the Wilson type scenarios. I am sure we have had a few this season where a ball has hit the had and a goal been given.

Got to a point now where I can’t keep up with constant tinkering of the rules. Fast becoming a game I no longer understand
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I think they altered the law for when the ball hits the defender on the arm, in that the arm now has to be in an unnatural position, They were giving handball for every strike of the arm early on.

Agree its difficult to keep up though!
 
So how did Spurs get given the penalty which obviously led to a goal, because the ball hit the Spurs player on both hands before the penalty was given.


Re Brighton offside goal, correct decision it was offside
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Where the confusion lies​


There seems to be a common misconception that backwards passes can’t be offside (which is probably why you’re on this page!), so let’s have a look why that is.


If you read the offside rule carefuly, it states that the player recieving the ball must be behind the second last defender or the ball.


As long as the player is behind the ball, it doesn’t matter if there are any defenders between him and the goal line.


Whenever there’s a 2v1 situation between two attacking players and the goal keeper, you will often see the player in possession play a square ball to his team mate to score an easy goal.


Often, this pass is played backwards which leads people to believe that is what’s making the play onside. However, it’s the fact that the player is behind the ball that makes it onside, not the direction of the pass.


Hopefully this answers your question and clears up any confusion about backwards passes and offsides.
 
The_Big_Woodowski said:
The Chelsea defenders hand ball on line was not given as had was by his side , but Wilson’s goal at Liverpool was handball and hand was by his side. (Perhaps this is down to the rules).
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Yes, that's because of the laws. Any handball, even an accidental one is penalised if it leads directly to a goal.

If a defender handles the ball, it has to either be deliberate, or meet the criteria about arm position, ball coming directly off the player's own body or an opponent who is close, etc.
 
So does the Spurs handball not count as that was directly before the foul for which the penalty was given which led directly to the goal
 
davidmills said:
So does the Spurs handball not count as that was directly before the foul for which the penalty was given which led directly to the goal
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TBH I've not seen it (or don't remember it in the deluge of stupidity that is VAR).

I think the rule is that the goal has to be scored as a direct result of the accidental handball giving the attacker an advantage.

If a goal isn't scored then the handball doesn't matter - so if you get scythed down then it's a penalty. If the defender had just allowed the striker to score then the goal would have been disallowed.

Probably.

Which is why the whole thing is a farce.
 
davidmills said:
So does the Spurs handball not count as that was directly before the foul for which the penalty was given which led directly to the goal
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Only a handball that leads immediately to a goal being scored counts. A handball that comes before a foul, that then leads to a penalty, which then results in a goal would not seem to meet the criteria laid down in the law.

I can't recall the details of the incident but the way you describe it, it certainly sounds as if a foul resulting in a penalty was the direct cause of the goal and that while there might have been a handball before the foul, it was not the direct and proximate reason for the goal being scored.
 
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I agree with the principle of VAR, but there have been some ridiculous decisions
It took them half a season before refs looked at the replays available near the half way line
The Newcastle one was correctly disallowed by the law (though as it's purely accidental I don't agree with the law) -didn't see the Spurs one
The inconsistencies with the 2 West Ham incidents were ridiculous
 
newusername said:
LOL!
It was exactly because people couldn't accept refs making errors that VAR was brought in.
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Fair point !!
Still errors and inconsistencies now, at least before it was instant and not after 5mins of replays, line drawing followed by a decision that nobody could see or predict
 
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