VAR.... AGAIN!!

Can understand why the penalty wasn't given, though I'd not have argued if it was, but the offside decision for the equaliser was an absolute joke.
 
Erimus74 said:
Didn't we give away a penalty v United for intent

Just bin this ridiculous new gimmick & as I've said try & put a stop the biggest sin in football, Grealish & cheating & let the refs, ref games, just as many mistakes as the human eye
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I agree with Mourinho. It’s not the VAR system that’s at fault. It’s the people using it and not making the right decisions.
 
Imagine if Palace needed to win that game to stay up? And if the shoe was on the other foot, I'm pretty sure the decisions would've gone the way of United.
 
I think it was probably a penalty however, you can't say definitively that it was. In this case the referee didn't award it and so VAR can only award it if it's a clear and obvious error. It's still subjective and so is correct to not award a penalty. Had a penalty been given by the ref then the same applies and VAR wouldn't have overturned it.

There is nothing to complain about with the offside. That isn't subjective. The method they use can definitively say whether it was offside or not and so the margin is irrelevant. You are either offside or you're not. Ayew was.
 
boromike85 said:
I think it was probably a penalty however, you can't say definitively that it was. In this case the referee didn't award it and so VAR can only award it if it's a clear and obvious error. It's still subjective and so is correct to not award a penalty. Had a penalty been given by the ref then the same applies and VAR wouldn't have overturned it.

The method they use can definitively say whether it was offside or not and so the margin is irrelevant.
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Nope, wrong. It's when the ball is kicked. Some of these margins are so small you would need to determine when the ball was struck to an accuracy of milliseconds and they can't do that.
 
About the only thing VAR has shown is that the officials on the pitch don't get things wrong nearly as much as everyone likes to think (unless of course they are called Geoff Eltringham in which case they are utter dog ****).
 
chickenrunner said:
Nope, wrong. It's when the ball is kicked. Some of these margins are so small you would need to determine when the ball was struck to an accuracy of milliseconds and they can't do that.
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Hmm. Maybe I misworded it. They have a method. When they follow their method they get a binary decision of on or offside. Their method may not be perfectly precise but they have a consistent process that they use each time. There is no grey area or subjective decision.
 
Yes I agree it's not subjective but they are trying to apply a degree of accuracy that is beyond the technology at their disposal. There has to be a margin of error applied in which case these borderline decisions would be ruled out. Again I would suggest that all this has shown that linesmen are remarkably accurate in their calls. How do these borderline judgements represent clear and obvious errors?
 
Offside isn't subject to the clear and obvious rule.

There is a margin of error. The margin is in the difference between the 2 frames of video they use. The ones that are marginally onside may be getting the benefit where the ones that are marginally offside aren't.

If you increase the margin for error you still get marginal decisions. You will still get people being offside by 1mm, it's just that the line will be in a slightly different place.
 
They are drawing a line which effectively represents a moment in time, a moment in time which they cannot accurately determine as I have explained. VAR has been an unmitigated disaster, predictably so. It was called for by a bunch of 'babies' who can't hack it when things go against them. They totally forgot about the other side of the coin when they got away with something hence they are still not happy. Get shot of it.
 
boromike85 said:
You will still get people being offside by 1mm, it's just that the line will be in a slightly different place.
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No, quite cleary, you won't.

The problem isn't offside or not - it's margin of error.

|---margin------I___Defender
_________________Foot

In the above, the attackers foot is on the frame they choose with the defender behind them to the right - they might be offside by a millimetre. If they add a margin of error (as shown by the dotted lines) the foot isn't moved forwards. What they have to show is that the foot is STILL offside when the margins are applied.

You could still be outside the margin by a millimetre but then your foot would be clearly past the defender so the offside call would be correct and no-one would complain.

_______|---margin---|___Defender
__Foot

You aren't moving the position whereby a person is offside. You're just adding a zone whereby VAR would err in favour of the attacker.
 
Off-sides need a small margine of error which follows the linesmans decision and for anything else that is not clear and obvious, the ref goes to the monitor.

Our VAR system is rubbish because the PL/FA think our way is superior to europe, it isn't.
 
VAR is a disaster, especially if you like betting on the goals markets, there must be a 95% swing in goals disallowed v goals allowed.
 
TheBoroBuzzard said:
VAR is a disaster, especially if you like betting on the goals markets, there must be a 95% swing in goals disallowed v goals allowed.
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Clearly that’s always going to be the case as officials, knowing that there is a system to judge close calls, tend to let marginal offsides go to VAR. And of course offsides are not part of the ”giving the benefit to the referees on-field decision”

Anyway aren’t all goals reviewed quickly for potential offside? If they are then that 85% figure you quote is way off the mark.
 
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