Vaccine passports

Lemmy_kilmister

Lemmy_kilmister

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Just seen a message from someone on Jeremy Vine as I was flicking through the channels. She was saying that a vaccine passport is 'controlling' and the prospect makes her feel 'queasy'.
Does that make anyone else feel like that?
Anyone who has had to have a yellow fever jab will tell you that you get a card informing medical services that you have had it.
People now have biometric passports... If you want to travel, why is it going to be such a hardship?
 
I'm definitely going to have the jab, but I can see the issue people have with being restricted from accessing places having not wanted to have a jab for whatever reason. Especially if they introduced it to supermarkets and the likes where you need to go for essentials.
 
I’m fully supportive of vaccination as a requirement to travel overseas. I think you’d be stupid not to get it. Having said that, if you’re making it mandatory for all employment or to go to a pub, you’re forcing medical procedures on the populace for a disease which isn’t life threatening to the vast majority. It’s the first step down the path to far worse things.
 
Agree with Alvez and Doom. Countries are entitled to and perhaps should limit travel where a traveller has not been vaccinated. It is in order to protect their citizens. You couldn't, of course, do that to a citizen of the country.

For general access to public places it won't happen. Some business' may try it, and I am not sure where they would stand on the issue legally but it would be so unpopular they would have to change their minds.

I suspect any business who floats this idea is trying it as a PR exercise.
 
Two tier country?

No thanks.

Although some on here will be well up for it.

If they want to bring it in give businesses the choice as to whether they require a passport from people to enter.
 
It would just be typical of the last 10 years that the least productive most entitled, and more financially secure groups of the population (ie- those over 60) got to return to holidays and leisure activities by virtue of them receiving vaccinations first because of their more frail health and lifestyles, while being propped up by the working population.



*puts on tin hat*
 
As an ex smoker, I remember the issues we had with 'our rights'. But common sense prevailed and I quit because of the health benefits, pressure on NHS and social stigma and restrictions in the workplace. Why should I impose my will on others, we have to give and take in a society and do what's right.
I see the similar issues with not taking the vaccine and not having a passport/proof. If you choose not to take a vaccine, then fine but expect to treated differently by employers and businesses. Don't whinge about it it's your choice, you've got what you want. I won't disrespect your wishes because I believe in freedom of choice.
 
Alvez_48 said:
Vaccine passport to go to the pub / gym etc - absolutely dystopian

Vaccine passport to fly to Spain - no problem

If it's the former it essentially makes vaccination mandatory which contravenes human rights law.
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I don’t see the difference. In your example the vaccine is mandatory if you want to goto Spain.
 
Piccadilly Day Tripper said:
It would just be typical of the last 10 years that the least productive most entitled, and more financially secure groups of the population (ie- those over 60) got to return to holidays and leisure activities by virtue of them receiving vaccinations first because of their more frail health and lifestyles, while being propped up by the working population.



*puts on tin hat*
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Why are you looking at only the last 10 years, surely these people have contributed more than most over the many years and to be honest will have less holidays left over the coming years, let them crack on.
 
Piccadilly Day Tripper said:
It would just be typical of the last 10 years that the least productive most entitled, and more financially secure groups of the population (ie- those over 60) got to return to holidays and leisure activities by virtue of them receiving vaccinations first because of their more frail health and lifestyles, while being propped up by the working population.



*puts on tin hat*
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Keep working son, contribute to the state coffers so that I can look forward to my much reduced 'state pension'. Then again, I can look back and say I worked my **** off for this, put up with all that sh*t that came my way, payed my taxes, invested in my future by making sacrifices and saw the entitled grow in our society who want something for nothing.
 
tripleheader said:
As an ex smoker, I remember the issues we had with 'our rights'. But common sense prevailed and I quit because of the health benefits, pressure on NHS and social stigma and restrictions in the workplace. Why should I impose my will on others, we have to give and take in a society and do what's right.
I see the similar issues with not taking the vaccine and not having a passport/proof. If you choose not to take a vaccine, then fine but expect to treated differently by employers and businesses. Don't whinge about it it's your choice, you've got what you want. I won't disrespect your wishes because I believe in freedom of choice.
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You raise a very good analogy with smoking in public places being banned. It does fall down a bit because you can put your cigarette out and go in a pub. It's not a lifetime ban.

I would, and do take issue with the stressing the NHS as a smoker. It is partially true as far as it goes. Smokers contribute more in taxation pro-rata than any other group. They die younger claiming less state pension. To put it in context, it was a few years ago when I had this argument with a director of the BMA, so the numbers will be wrong now. But, at the time smokers contributed through direct tobaco taxation 9 billion in revenue to HMRC. This far outweighs the cost, of admitedly, expensive cytotoxic treatments.

Good overall point though.
 
FatCat said:
I don’t see the difference. In your example the vaccine is mandatory if you want to goto Spain.
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Well have a think about it, do some reading and maybe you'll change your mind. Maybe not.

I personally try to look into the future and wouldn't be a fan of 10 years from now scanning into every shop/work/leisure establishment and that data being mined by state actors. You could argue that people do that with their phones already, you'd be wrong.

When you watch films like minority report do you say to yourself I don't get the problem here?
 
I ave no problem with vaccine passport. I'd also be happier knowing that everyone in the pub with me was vaccinated.

Real life isn't about films like Minority Report, it's trying to get our country and economy back up and running whilst avoiding hundreds of thousands of more deaths.

And thankfully a vaccine passport wouldn't enable the police to see if I was going to commit a murder in the net few hours so not sure what the relevance is.
 
Alvez_48 said:
Vaccine passport to go to the pub / gym etc - absolutely dystopian

Vaccine passport to fly to Spain - no problem

If it's the former it essentially makes vaccination mandatory which contravenes human rights law.
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It could be down to the licencee, they can refuse entry to pubs to anybody.
 
Corcaigh_the_Cat said:
It could be down to the licencee, they can refuse entry to pubs to anybody.
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They possibly can CtC. However they cannot enforce vaccination on their staff, waiters, cleaning staff, the guy fixing the boiler, the dreyman, the crisp delivery guy.

You see where I am going.
 
The Gov might take the heat off themselves by passing responsibility on to the premises or establishment of whether they allow someone in or not depending on if they have vaccine certification. Places that do allow in people without it might have less capacity and have tighter and stricter conditions of service, such as table service, no standing and shorter opening hours.
 
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