Utilizing McGree in the correct role

Gunslinger

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He is quite clearly a very good footballer with excellent vision but he is limited in terms of mobility and he can beat a man on the outside

He is not a dynamic player who you can play in a wide position even though it worked at times when he was ahead of Giles last season cutting inside

Playing on the left in a 4-3-3 he is massively restricted in his influence

He needs to play either centrally or coming in off the right hand side cutting and drawing out the left back with a mobile right back behind him to create an overload

We need to pick our best footballers and find a system that suits them, the 4-2-3-1 only worked last season was because we had a cog in Akpom
who was greater than the sum of his parts in that role which made the team greater than the sum of it's parts, our win ratio under Carrick without akpom is under 10%

I continue to be baffled by Carricks team selection and loyalty to players who have 'some' attributes like Silvera as an example but dire in others

I know he was a top footballer, but i have seen more football matches than he has , so surely my opinion has to be worth something

He needs to get a grip , he is young to management and naive, i guess he thought he had it all figured out already last season but this season and
the last 2-3 months of last season he is the worst performing football manager in all 4 leagues
 
Gunslinger said:
He is quite clearly a very good footballer with excellent vision but he is limited in terms of mobility and he can beat a man on the outside

He is not a dynamic player who you can play in a wide position even though it worked at times when he was ahead of Giles last season cutting inside

Playing on the left in a 4-3-3 he is massively restricted in his influence

He needs to play either centrally or coming in off the right hand side cutting and drawing out the left back with a mobile right back behind him to create an overload

We need to pick our best footballers and find a system that suits them, the 4-2-3-1 only worked last season was because we had a cog in Akpom
who was greater than the sum of his parts in that role which made the team greater than the sum of it's parts, our win ratio under Carrick without akpom is under 10%

I continue to be baffled by Carricks team selection and loyalty to players who have 'some' attributes like Silvera as an example but dire in others

I know he was a top footballer, but i have seen more football matches than he has , so surely my opinion has to be worth something

He needs to get a grip , he is young to management and naive, i guess he thought he had it all figured out already last season but this season and
the last 2-3 months of last season he is the worst performing football manager in all 4 leagues
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If I were McGree I would concentrate on my fitness, he's certainly a yard short.
 
Gunslinger said:
He is quite clearly a very good footballer with excellent vision but he is limited in terms of mobility and he can beat a man on the outside

He is not a dynamic player who you can play in a wide position even though it worked at times when he was ahead of Giles last season cutting inside

Playing on the left in a 4-3-3 he is massively restricted in his influence

He needs to play either centrally or coming in off the right hand side cutting and drawing out the left back with a mobile right back behind him to create an overload

We need to pick our best footballers and find a system that suits them, the 4-2-3-1 only worked last season was because we had a cog in Akpom
who was greater than the sum of his parts in that role which made the team greater than the sum of it's parts, our win ratio under Carrick without akpom is under 10%

I continue to be baffled by Carricks team selection and loyalty to players who have 'some' attributes like Silvera as an example but dire in others

I know he was a top footballer, but i have seen more football matches than he has , so surely my opinion has to be worth something

He needs to get a grip , he is young to management and naive, i guess he thought he had it all figured out already last season but this season and
the last 2-3 months of last season he is the worst performing football manager in all 4 leagues
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Probably the most dynamic and mobile footballer at the club. Other than that I agree.
 
Norman_Conquest said:
If I were McGree I would concentrate on my fitness, he's certainly a yard short.
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He was a yard short last season, that's how he runs, he has very little pace.
Got away with it more last year, due to the team playing well around him.

This season when he has started games at WBA & Sheff Wed, he's lost the ball several times in both matches, then he's too slow to recover his mistakes, and in both games hooked after 60mins.
 
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He'd be the first name on the team sheet for me at present. Probably the most technically gifted player (left) at the club.

As for his best position, it's a tricky. That left inside forward role worked well last season, primarily due to the link up with Chuba (the twin tens). Not sure who could replicate that partnership with him this season?

He's certainly got the vision and technique to play the 10 role, particularly if our IFs are looking to exploit that inside channel.

He's wasted further back for me. Not good off the ball for a deeper role and will likely just end up drifting into the 10 position anyway.

We do need to nail down those attacking positions quickly though. So much of our better play last season came through sharp interchange of position and ball, difficult when we're changing the personnel every match.
 
He isn't quite there this season, but none of them look to be. It isn't fitness, I think its the uncertainty of the team, in terms of new players and fully committing to a style.

What I mean by that is last year everyone was 100% behind the system, doesn't quite appear the same this season probably because of the turnover in lads. But if we aren't gunna press as a team then we are better off not at all. At the moment we are doing a bit of pressing, some do full throttle, others not quite and gaps then appear. This kind of style has to be all in or none, as its detrimental if not, as the midfield and defence looks like a sieve if all players don't move as a unit.

Anyway back to my point 😂 i think McGree is looking off the pace as he is caught in a bit of no mans land between his natural instict to play like last season, and the reality of that isnt happening on the pitch this year. So individually he looks all at sea at times this season.

For me though, still one of the first names on the teamsheet.

Love you Riley 😘
 
Gunslinger said:
He is quite clearly a very good footballer with excellent vision but he is limited in terms of mobility and he can beat a man on the outside

He is not a dynamic player who you can play in a wide position even though it worked at times when he was ahead of Giles last season cutting inside

Playing on the left in a 4-3-3 he is massively restricted in his influence

He needs to play either centrally or coming in off the right hand side cutting and drawing out the left back with a mobile right back behind him to create an overload

We need to pick our best footballers and find a system that suits them, the 4-2-3-1 only worked last season was because we had a cog in Akpom
who was greater than the sum of his parts in that role which made the team greater than the sum of it's parts, our win ratio under Carrick without akpom is under 10%

I continue to be baffled by Carricks team selection and loyalty to players who have 'some' attributes like Silvera as an example but dire in others

I know he was a top footballer, but i have seen more football matches than he has , so surely my opinion has to be worth something

He needs to get a grip , he is young to management and naive, i guess he thought he had it all figured out already last season but this season and
the last 2-3 months of last season he is the worst performing football manager in all 4 leagues
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Strange how we all see things differently, i prefer him left as he works well making triangles with the full back and should be helping bangura and engel attack. I think we have missed that thsi season with him not playing. I dont think it works with him in the middle like too much time on the ball and often gets the ball pinched off him.
 
TheWolfman said:
Strange how we all see things differently, i prefer him left as he works well making triangles with the full back and should be helping bangura and engel attack. I think we have missed that thsi season with him not playing. I dont think it works with him in the middle like too much time on the ball and often gets the ball pinched off him.
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Same I see him as Left of a 3, the 'Ramsay' role from last season.
 
MichaelDebeve said:
What I mean by that is last year everyone was 100% behind the system, doesn't quite appear the same this season probably because of the turnover in lads. But if we aren't gunna press as a team then we are better off not at all. At the moment we are doing a bit of pressing, some do full throttle, others not quite and gaps then appear. This kind of style has to be all in or none, as its detrimental if not, as the midfield and defence looks like a sieve if all players don't move as a unit.
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This something I've been saying. We are half arsed pressing. We commit bodies forward but not close with purpose and its still easy for them to play out. Then we are short at the back.
 
I feel McGree is suffering due to a lack of movement around him.

He has the footballing intelligence to be able to anticipate where players are going to make runs to off the ball, and the technique to play the right ball to them.

Remember Akpom's 2nd goal against Blackpool last season?
 
He's just not that good. Technically he is good so he looks better than he is but his positional play and his mobility is poor. We saw last season he was very poor early in the season when asked to play in a midfield 3. He just let runners go past him at will so he was dropped. He also played in the 10 role at the start of the season and he was dropped from that as well because he wasn't able to make runs beyond the striker. He played well when the rest of the team was full of pace and dynamism and his technical ability allowed him to be tidy in possession and make advanced passes to the forward runners. He still got very few assists considering his role in a high scoring team. Ramsey came in and proved that position could score, assist and do all the other things McGree was doing. He's actually fairly similar to Crooks in that he plays in midfield but doesn't really suit any of the midfield positions other than maybe the front of a midfield 3 with plenty of players ahead of him.

He's not a terrible player or anything but he clearly has major weaknesses along with some ability which unfortunately is how I would describe most of our squad.
 
He's a good footballer but very lazy. If he's playing from the left he always leaves the fullback exposed.
 
Nano said:
He's just not that good. Technically he is good so he looks better than he is but his positional play and his mobility is poor. We saw last season he was very poor early in the season when asked to play in a midfield 3. He just let runners go past him at will so he was dropped. He also played in the 10 role at the start of the season and he was dropped from that as well because he wasn't able to make runs beyond the striker. He played well when the rest of the team was full of pace and dynamism and his technical ability allowed him to be tidy in possession and make advanced passes to the forward runners. He still got very few assists considering his role in a high scoring team. Ramsey came in and proved that position could score, assist and do all the other things McGree was doing. He's actually fairly similar to Crooks in that he plays in midfield but doesn't really suit any of the midfield positions other than maybe the front of a midfield 3 with plenty of players ahead of him.

He's not a terrible player or anything but he clearly has major weaknesses along with some ability which unfortunately is how I would describe most of our squad.
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His inability to play out of position (he's an attacking mid) shouldn't really be a stick to beat with him, more so the manager who played him there.
 
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