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Blindschool

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I find it depressing and slightly surreal but it looks like Trump will get another four years. Surely the Democratic Party must have a more impressive candidate than that bunch of septagenarians and nonentities.
 
It’s depressing but not sure whether it’s indicative of the rise of the far right or this new breed of political though were people react with their hearts without thinking things through. Either way it’sa worry. Also, like the same thing happening in this country, the fair right/anti science movement is helped by the fact there is no credible opposition.
 
Well it looks like Bernie Sanders is going to prevail as his opposition in the forthcoming campaign and sadly I can’t see him winning. I only hope he does.
 
There's no chance. The "left" in the US is pretty much right of centre. Bernie Sanders is actually left left. So, probably even more like Corbyn. The nasty, lying, autocratic scum will get in because the opposition presents the most extreme and therefore least popular version of itself
 
Thankfully for trump, but sadly for the rest of us, there are more than enough people even more stupid than he is to see him re-elected.

Politics there, and now here too it seems, has been dumbing-down for a long time and he's the result - politics in the US is more like a reality TV show.
 
GWB was a generally harmless simpleton who was controlled by a host of extremely powerful puppet masters. Trump is a genuine force of nature who says what he wants, does what he wants, gets what he wants and happens to be to be a genuinely despicable person to boot. And his legions of supporters are a mirror of him to the point of it being almost cult-like.

Trump is far more dangerous and much worse than Bush IMO.
 
If you take what Trump says and tweets at face value you're going to be in a state of continuous emotional torment. It is pretty well all an act designed to antagonise the US media. They oblige because there's a mutual benefit pact between the "fake news" media and Trump. He rallies his base because he's always under attack, and the essentially Democrat media makes money out of covering Trump - bad news appears to sell well.

The legislation he's actually got done is not that bad. His trade deals are reasonable from a US perspective (Not great for anyone else but better than what they had). The First Step Act helps minorities who leave prison to find work. He's organised training for displaced workers. And he's arranged for paid family and medical leave for Federal employees. Add to that the fact the US has pretty well full employment, that the working class has seen a vast improvement in their income, that death by suicide by opioid addicts is falling for the first time in years and if you're an independent voter faced with the choice of losing your health insurance under a Democrat President or facing another 4 years of rising wages under Trump, it's not a difficult choice. My guess is most will hold their nose and give him four more years - assuming the Corona virus doesn't kill the US economy.

Trump isn't a threat to democracy. The US is an enormous bureaucracy largely populated by Democrat appointees at the top levels. Trump has managed to implement a few policies, but anything that requires the state apparatus is off limits. He can't even hold a meeting in the White House without it being leaked 5 minutes later if there's even the slightest chance of it being perceived negatively. And he can't do much that requires money without getting it approved by the Democrat led House of Representatives. Even when the Republicans ran the House they wouldn't do what he wanted. That's why the US constitution is set up with a division of powers - to stop any one part getting above its station.

Foreign policy wise Trump is a lot less dangerous for the world than was Obama. This may not seem to be the case at a subjective level but the numbers bear that out. He's avoided foreign wars and he got elected in part because he promised to bring the troops home (only partially successful so far).

He's an unpleasant person, but then do most of us really like our politicians? Ironically with a few months to go before the election Trump is now more popular than was Obama at the same time in his first time in office.
 
bevoboro said:
GWB was a generally harmless simpleton who was controlled by a host of extremely powerful puppet masters. Trump is a genuine force of nature who says what he wants, does what he wants, gets what he wants and happens to be to be a genuinely despicable person to boot. And his legions of supporters are a mirror of him to the point of it being almost cult-like.

Trump is far more dangerous and much worse than Bush IMO.
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Just about sums him up
 
br14 said:
Trump isn't a threat to democracy.
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Again there are a lot of academics and political pundits across the us that would beg to differ.

from ny times

Two political scientists specializing in how democracies decay and die have compiled four warning signs to determine if a political leader is a dangerous authoritarian:

1. The leader shows only a weak commitment to democratic rules. 2. He denies legitimacy of political opponents. 3. He tolerates violence. 4. He or she shows some willingness to curb civil or the media
 
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He always seems to be playing to the crowd/media, saying whatever will rile or get a reaction. I think his spin doctors will tell him what to say and he then decides to totally go off script.
 
He doesn’t have spin doctors though that is the point as unlike bush etc who were easily led trump is basically shooting from the hip look at his tweets ( is slagging off Rosie O’Donnell at 4am) this isn’t media manipulation. This is the inane ramblings of a mad man.

Listen to the Ukrainian call again it’s all him. He surrounds himself with family like as Mafia don.

Make no mistake it’s not an act it’s not media spin etc read the transcripts from his aides etc he is a lose cannon.

To be really scared though listen to him talk about extending his term in office beyond 2 terms.
 
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