Tory just got xxxxed by Tory audience on Qusetion Time.

[Teesste]

Whenever I see Helen Whateley on TV she always looks utterly haunted. Almost as though she doesn't belive a word she is saying but is being forced to say it.

Has anyone checked that Cruella Braverman isn't holding her family hostage?

 

[Juninhoburger]

Disagree. Anyone who truly believes in the Rwanda plan would have put their hands up.

Probably because they don't care that they would be labelled as a racist.

In fact for some, it's probably a label to be proud of.

 

[1finny]

Disagree. Anyone who truly believes in the Rwanda plan would have put their hands up.

Not sure what you base that on but, hey ho

Before the Brexit referendum I was at a dinner and sat next to Peter Bone (famed brexiteer campaigner)

The polls, at that stage, were clearly favouring remain.
He told me he was absolutely confident of a win and went on to say why.

He had been debating in/out in front of the great and good of the financial world - 200 of them in London.

At the end of the debate and questions, each member of the audience had a key pad to anonymously register how they would vote.
Those on the panel could see, real time, how the vote was going.
It was significantly in favour of leave until the technology crashed.

They asked for a show of hands - it was significantly for remain.

People did not want to be seen to publicly back leave.

It’s the same with this question - I’d really like to believe they diidn’t favour it.
The last poll I saw said only 25% disagree with 48% agreeing.

 

[Brian Marwood]

I have a truly terrible confession here. Leaving politics aside I find Helen Whately to be bizarrely sexy somehow.

 

[Easterside_Red]

Not sure what you base that on but, hey ho

I coud say the same of your initial assertion.
An audience packed with Tory voters, willing to participate in a live broadcast knowing the Appeal Court had just overturned a ruling declaring the Rwanda Plan lawful. And you think they're all shy?

 

[jonny_greenings_sock]

They can't have a Maggie Thatcher style war, so appealing to the middle classes by 'stopping the boats'. Not sorting the other, more important stuff out

But what’s good is that they don’t “stop the boats”. Not even nearly.

Immigration and the backlog is far, far higher under the Conservatives than it was under Labour.

David Cameron promised to get immigration down to the “10s of thousands”. Last year’s net figures were 606,000 new migrants. To clear the asylum backlog of 74,000 by Christmas, which Rishi Sunak is still promising to do, means they have to clear one claim every four minutes - oh and they’ve only got 140 fully trained staff working on it.

A question of incompetence or a question of a party lying to you because cheap labour is actually in their interest?

Home Office must process asylum claim every four minutes to clear backlog by January

Rishi Sunak claims ministers were on track to clear backlog by end of year – currently close to 75,000

www.theguardian.com

UK long-term migration figures 2022 | Statista

For the year ending December 2022, approximately 1.16 million people migrated to the United Kingdom, while 557,000 people migrated from the UK, resulting in a net migration figure of 606,000.

www.statista.com

 

[festa5]

Not sure what you base that on but, hey ho

Before the Brexit referendum I was at a dinner and sat next to Peter Bone (famed brexiteer campaigner)

The polls, at that stage, were clearly favouring remain.
He told me he was absolutely confident of a win and went on to say why.

He had been debating in/out in front of the great and good of the financial world - 200 of them in London.

At the end of the debate and questions, each member of the audience had a key pad to anonymously register how they would vote.
Those on the panel could see, real time, how the vote was going.
It was significantly in favour of leave until the technology crashed.

They asked for a show of hands - it was significantly for remain.

People did not want to be seen to publicly back leave.

It’s the same with this question - I’d really like to believe they diidn’t favour it.
The last poll I saw said only 25% disagree with 48% agreeing.

It's interesting that. Because what you saw on the news etc was leave voters being very vocal and open about it and of course celebrating the result.

But appreciate a lot of people will have thought differently and maybe understood there were xenophobic implications of the vote and didn't want to be associated with those perhaps?

I am surprised noone was willing to publicly back the Rwanda scheme though. I'd have thought most in favour would have carried out the necessary mental gymnastics to convince themselves it's not racist. Therefore surely they wouldn't care?

Or is it just that it's quite clearly just such a **** idea, racism aside, no-one wanted to look an idiot by continuing to support it

 

[Ex Footy Legs]

Put this question on Rwanda to an audience in Middlesbrough, Hartlepool l. Stockton et al and lots and lots of people would be supportive.

Possibly but it also highlights the chronic lack on balanced thinking in our area and lots of English areas. The tories would secretly love to keep underfunding education so as to keep the masses in their place and not introduce learning around economics & politics for obvious reasons.

 

[HolgateCorner]

Those in market research would have a field day with this question.

There is no way, sadly, we can conclude people in that audience did not support the Rwandan plan Just because they didn’t put their hands up.

Supporters of the plan are labelled racists.

In effect she was asking members of the audience if they are racist - few, if any, would put their hand up knowing it was going to be shown on national TV.

I’m not sure that is correct (the racist angle).

I suspect the die hard Tories are very, very shy right now as their world collapses around them but I think if they had supported the plan, for whatever reason, then they would have been prepared to put their hands up.

 

[HolgateCorner]

Possibly but it also highlights the chronic lack on balanced thinking in our area and lots of English areas. The tories would secretly love to keep underfunding education so as to keep the masses in their place and not introduce learning around economics & politics for obvious reasons.

I think it is age related more than anything.

I saw a poll yesterday saying the Tories are well ahead in the over 64 age group.

 

[atomicloonybin aka ALB]

I have a truly terrible confession here. Leaving politics aside I find Helen Whately to be bizarrely sexy somehow.

Remember some years back when Viz used to do a yearly thing called Borderline Boilers - "your eyes say no, your hips say go!"? That.

 

[1finny]

I coud say the same of your initial assertion.
An audience packed with Tory voters, willing to participate in a live broadcast knowing the Appeal Court had just overturned a ruling declaring the Rwanda Plan lawful. And you think they're all shy?

You could - except I’ve given an example of how human behaviour isn’t all it seems.

I understand evidence matters not a jot

 

[BoroMart]

Then, as is becoming more common day after day, has a dig at labour, saying they only monitored 7% 13 years ago.

It isn’t the win she thinks it is. 13 years ago the tech would have been new, expensive and required lots of maintenance. Today we digitilise all our services and monitoring is everywhere.

On top of that, Labour didn’t know what the scale of the problem was through the technical challenge…Tories now know the scale of the problem but have done nothing to fix it. I know which is ethically worse.

 

[BoroMart]

Those in market research would have a field day with this question.

There is no way, sadly, we can conclude people in that audience did not support the Rwandan plan Just because they didn’t put their hands up.

Supporters of the plan are labelled racists.

In effect she was asking members of the audience if they are racist - few, if any, would put their hand up knowing it was going to be shown on national TV.

People have supported it in the past, the difference here is even the racists realise it’s utterly unworkable and won’t fix the problem it claims while draining billions from our taxes to pay for it.

 

[indeedido]

Whateley is yet another example of a very intelligent person who appears utterly stupid every time she opens her mouth as a Government Minister.
High intellect, no empathy, very easily lost for words under pressure. But favoured by Tory leaders as can be rolled out to defend the indefensible.

 

[SmallTown]

Those in market research would have a field day with this question.

There is no way, sadly, we can conclude people in that audience did not support the Rwandan plan Just because they didn’t put their hands up.

Supporters of the plan are labelled racists.

In effect she was asking members of the audience if they are racist - few, if any, would put their hand up knowing it was going to be shown on national TV.

I saw that "argument" made by someone on twitter too.

Shows that even people who support the Madagascar plan realise it's immoral and puts them on the wrong side. Fascinating. If they are too scared to air their views in public then even they know they are wrong.

 

[brattleboro]

Most people who voted tory will agree with their policy to send then to rwanda. Despicable people

 

[BoroMart]

Most people who voted tory will agree with their policy to send then to rwanda. Despicable people

Maybe from an ethical perspective they do, but I think a lot realise it's awful value and thus unworkable.

 

[Brian Marwood]

Whateley is yet another example of a very intelligent person who appears utterly stupid every time she opens her mouth as a Government Minister.
High intellect, no empathy, very easily lost for words under pressure. But favoured by Tory leaders as can be rolled out to defend the indefensible.

But pretty.

 

[Soutra]

I coud say the same of your initial assertion.
An audience packed with Tory voters, willing to participate in a live broadcast knowing the Appeal Court had just overturned a ruling declaring the Rwanda Plan lawful. And you think they're all shy?

"Packed with Tory voters". Really?

I think it's just a representative cross section.