Tories pressured BBC over Johnson's claim Starmer failed to prosecute Jimmy Savile - Guardian article

[Jonny Ingbar]

I can only speak for myself. I think he keeps his beliefs to himself and toes a line to win an election. Whilst getting the tories out of no 10 is important, I would rather starmer trusted the electorate, was clear in his beliefs and offering.

I have no doubt he will be a very good administrator, his career to date highlights that he has a great attention to detail and can run a team dealing with complex issues.

He will be a good leader, but my issue is where is he leading us.

I often he he lacks charisma, but I'm not sure that being charismatic should be the top of voters list when it comes to a potential PM, if at all.

I think he, and the party, are in a difficult balancing act between the traditional (harder) left and winning votes from the (softer) right.

 

[Laughing]

I often he he lacks charisma, but I'm not sure that being charismatic should be the top of voters list when it comes to a potential PM, if at all.

I think he, and the party, are in a difficult balancing act between the traditional (harder) left and winning votes from the (softer) right.

I don't care about charisma. I am more concerned that we don't really know what starmer stands for. Until we see the manifesto, we don't really know what we will be getting.

My vote is probably going to be tactical. For however much I am ambivelant towards starmer, I know we need to get rid of the tories. Probably a libdem vote in my area, mad nads is our current mp.

 

[Jedi boro]

we need to get rid of the tories.

That’s is all that matters

And the only way this happens is through a labour win.

 

[m3t4tr0n]

I don't care about charisma. I am more concerned that we don't really know what starmer stands for. Until we see the manifesto, we don't really know what we will be getting.

My vote is probably going to be tactical. For however much I am ambivelant towards starmer, I know we need to get rid of the tories. Probably a libdem vote in my area, mad nads is our current mp.

Mid Bedfordshire? Where labour have been consistently the strongest challenger to the Tories (excluding 2005 and 2010) ?

 

[h_m_boro]

I'm not a Starmer fan, and the way he has "managed" the Labour party has been p*ss poor IMO. Broken every one of his leadership pledges, with a "meh" response.

But, he cannot be worse than the Tories who are only interested in filling their pockets with public money, and treat the electorate with absolute disdain.

British politics is in the sewer, can Starmer and Labour bring trust and respect back? Not sure. But things can't go on as they are and come 2025 I hope the Tories have been obliterated. But the UK suddenly moving forward with honesty and integrity

Only hope is Starmer is playing a game and if elected we see a different approach. But I'm not holding my breath.

 

[Laughing]

Mid Bedfordshire? Where labour have been consistently the strongest challenger to the Tories (excluding 2005 and 2010) ?

It doesn't matter that Labour have come second. It's more to do with where swing voters who have had enough of the tories will place their vote.

Not many of those swing voters will convert to labour I don't think.

 

[BoroFur]

Another story about Tories' behaviour being hijacked into an anti Starmer thread

It's unbelievable isn't it? They need help!

 

[BoroFur]

Just for those easily distracted, here's a reminder of the thread title.

 

[Jedi boro]

Fine he doesn’t need my vote

So you’d rather a Tory win???

 

[m3t4tr0n]

What does that even mean?

I will wait until there’s a new left wing party and vote green in the meantime

I would take it to mean that, given our electoral system, any vote given to a party other than the party most likely to beat the Tories in your constituency may as well be handing them your vote.

I hate it too. It's ridiculous... But it doesn't make it any less true.

 

[Ziggy]

Also the options were one party offering a mild, Northern European-style social democracy

And we all know that can only be achieved by removing FPTP and moving towards a grown up European style PR voting system, and all the other things that come with it.
We’re just pi$$ing into the wind otherwise.

 

[Jedi boro]

I would take it to mean that, given our electoral system, any vote given to a party other than the party most likely to beat the Tories in your constituency may as well be handing them your vote.

I hate it too. It's ridiculous... But it doesn't make it any less true.

Exactly.

 

[m3t4tr0n]

Well then it was a stupid suggestion by Starmer to conflate anti-semitism with Corbynism/socialism and secondly basically say that there’s no place for left wing politics now in Labour and to go and vote elsewhere

I don’t know why I am criticised for something Starmer clearly wants to happen

I agree. I'm still mad about it all, and I can't stand what the labour party is right now.

However, there is only one thing I can't stand more than that, and that's another Tory term.

 

[BoroFur]

And Starmer said lefties like me can leave through the door so. Fine he doesn’t need my vote

Just do it as soon as possible and quit your whining

 

[BoroFur]

If you don’t like the contents of a thread don’t open it. I’ve read that many times on here

How would I know what the contents are without opening it?

I opened it because I hoped there'd be widespread condemnation of The Tory Party for trying to influence the news agenda. Whether it be this particular topic, or Rwanda, or Lockdown.

But no, it quickly gets taken over by posters like you who must wake up every day thinking 'what can I criticise Starmer about today?' because there's absolutely nothing else in my universe.

 

[BoroFur]

So again if you have nothing to add which you don’t then go away because you’re an absolute non entity

Ha ha, I'm absolutely rattled

I've had a great day at The Riverside and I won't let a negative tosser like you dampen my mood.

 

[Randy]

I would take it to mean that, given our electoral system, any vote given to a party other than the party most likely to beat the Tories in your constituency may as well be handing them your vote.

I hate it too. It's ridiculous... But it doesn't make it any less true.

I get that. But rabid labour supporters are telling people to give up what they believe in to get rid of the Tories. How does that then make them any better than the Tories?
Surely the way should be to make coalitions with these other parties if Labour are worried about not beating the Conservatives at the next election instead of sniping at folk who don't want to vote red or blue? An election may I add that Labour should best them comfortably in.

 

[m3t4tr0n]

I get that. But rabid labour supporters are telling people to give up what they believe in to get rid of the Tories. How does that then make them any better than the Tories?
Surely the way should be to make coalitions with these other parties if Labour are worried about not beating the Conservatives at the next election instead of sniping at folk who don't want to vote red or blue? An election may I add that Labour should best them comfortably in.

I think perhaps there is a distinction to be made between 'rabid' labour supporters, people who really want to get the Tories out and the labour party itself.

I come at this as someone who believes that the main priority is to kick the Tories out. I find it hard to reconcile why anyone who hates them and what they have done would cast a vote that could end up helping them. I really wish that we didn't have to do that ... From my perspective if I could right now, I'd probably vote green, but I know if I did, certainly in my constituency, I may as well put my cross in the blue box for all the good it'll do. I wish we had a system (and would vote for it in a heartbeat) where we could all vote the way we would like and it would count, but we have an archaic system that doesn't represent the population... But we can only work with what we have, no matter how that sucks.

That's the way I see it anyway.

 

[Randy]

I think perhaps there is a distinction to be made between 'rabid' labour supporters, people who really want to get the Tories out and the labour party itself.

I come at this as someone who believes that the main priority is to kick the Tories out. I find it hard to reconcile why anyone who hates them and what they have done would cast a vote that could end up helping them. I really wish that we didn't have to do that ... From my perspective if I could right now, I'd probably vote green, but I know if I did, certainly in my constituency, I may as well put my cross in the blue box for all the good it'll do. I wish we had a system (and would vote for it in a heartbeat) where we could all vote the way we would like and it would count, but we have an archaic system that doesn't represent the population... But we can only work with what we have, no matter how that sucks.

That's the way I see it anyway.

Reasoned response Tron. Appreciated.