Thunberg/Tate Twitter spat..

On a side note, it’s definitely better for your health to be vegan so you’re on the right road where that’s concerned. I think maybe it’s a generational thing and younger folks already eat less meat and there’s a lot role models advocating a vegan plant based lifestyle. I think in India veganism is almost the norm? So it can be done but will take time. Not sure what we can do regarding our importing of food situation, we don’t have the climate to support modern tastes so we need to import or innovate.
 
Strange that, I always thought they were more vegany than anywhere. Google suggests the uk has the most vegans? More than 9%? Seems odd
 
Laughing said:
The biggest single thing we can do to stop the ruination of the planet is have less children
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People already are having fewer children aren't they? Always a tough one when people start getting on to population control talk. Not sure what anyone expects to be done about the children that already exist.
 
RenzoRosso said:
On a side note, it’s definitely better for your health to be vegan so you’re on the right road where that’s concerned. I think maybe it’s a generational thing and younger folks already eat less meat and there’s a lot role models advocating a vegan plant based lifestyle. I think in India veganism is almost the norm? So it can be done but will take time. Not sure what we can do regarding our importing of food situation, we don’t have the climate to support modern tastes so we need to import or innovate.
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Innovation is the only game in town (if we are serious about climate change).

The exam question is how can we become more sustainable (whilst being competitve) in the UK given labour challenges and climate?

Good news is there is tons of work going in particularly with AI which will give us a chance. A couple of examples in the world of agriculture
* Robotics which can collect direct from the pickers in the field. Reduces labour but circa 30% for some crops
* Assessment of crops, via AI, to maximise quality of yield

Surprisingly Gove was all over this but, as he has been sidelined, gvt funding has been harder to get.
We have the brain power tho
 
SuperStu said:
People already are having fewer children aren't they? Always a tough one when people start getting on to population control talk. Not sure what anyone expects to be done about the children that already exist.
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I think you are right here.
And found this from an American study
‘Growth is beginning to slow, and experts predict the world's population will top out sometime in the 2080s at about 10.4 billion.’

Always tricky using personal examples as evidence but both my sons are with women who don’t feel it is right to bring children into this world.
One of them has done a 360 degree turn in the time we have known her (5 years). She was always very keen to have kids.
 
SuperStu said:
People already are having fewer children aren't they? Always a tough one when people start getting on to population control talk. Not sure what anyone expects to be done about the children that already exist.
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I don't know what should be done about over-population, but without reducing the population, everything else is simply delaying the inevitable, and probably by not very much.
 
SuperStu said:
People already are having fewer children aren't they? Always a tough one when people start getting on to population control talk. Not sure what anyone expects to be done about the children that already exist.
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You're right. Most people have a fairly outdated view of global trends. Try some of the quizzes on the Worldview Upgrader section of Hans Rosling's Gapminder sight and see how you get on.
 
JackG said:
You're right. Most people have a fairly outdated view of global trends. Try some of the quizzes on the Worldview Upgrader section of Hans Rosling's Gapminder sight and see how you get on.
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World population is still growing at about 1% per year down from a high of 2.5%. At 1% its not sustainable. A 1% decrease yearly would be better.
 
Laughing said:
World population is still growing at about 1% per year down from a high of 2.5%. At 1% its not sustainable. A 1% decrease yearly would be better.
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The predicted trend isn't a steady 1%. Population is still increasing but at a decreasing rate, as you state. If this rate of change of the rate of change is maintained then population will peak this century and then decline.
 
JackG said:
The predicted trend isn't a steady 1%. Population is still increasing but at a decreasing rate, as you state. If this rate of change of the rate of change is maintained then population will peak this century and then decline.
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I think you may be right there based on current trends, but Anthropocene, I think, maintain that the rate of decline is tailing off. We can't maintain any population growth unless we make huge swathes of the planet more habitable. And let's be honest that isn't going to happen.

Look at it this way, if the population rate of rise declines to 0.5% that is an increase of 40 million people every year. It seems unlikely at this point that the rate of increase will decline to 0.5% per year. At 1% its a new UK population every year to sustain on ever decreasing resources.

The whole argument depends on the rate of population decline continuing into negative figures.
 
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