And yet you've been happy to defend the people who took what was a simple vote on the issue - which would have had the amendments they wanted added by the governement - into the farce which took away from the reality of the situation in Gaza.
The killing is going on regardless. The SNP listened to their constiuents and used the small amount of parliamentary time allocated to them to make a statement about it.
It’s called leadership and has always been so. Howling at the moon achieves nothing other than alienation. Actively trying to keep diplomacy going where possible has to be the best course of action to achieve meaningful outcomes.
Or they worded it to try to put Labour in a bind because they know they are haemorrhaging voters to Labour
The SNP have been consistent in this affair just as they were during the Iraq invasion. Humsa Yousaf's wife is half Palestinian and his brother in law is a doctor in Gaza. However they only get three opportunities a session to bring motions whereas Labour get 17 so the two main parties have had ample opportunity to bring similar motions forward but haven't done so. On the contrary, the two main parties have tended tended to support Israel as far as they could and Labour have defended Israel's right to cut off water and power and have whipped their members to abstain on previous occasions.
But that reinforces the point about Labour having had plenty of time to do something to prevent this from happening (again). They chose not to and then out-Toried the Tories to rescue a bad situation. If you're happy with that then I'm glad for you. You'll get the government you want and will have no complaints when they continue on the same trajectory.
It only ever counts as leadership when it leads us further right.
This situation really doesn’t have anything to do with trajectories. It was just a touch of Real Politik. The trap that was set for Labour was obvious. The way out was perhaps cynical but well executed. Why do you think the opposition lost their, somewhat performative s**t.
If I lived in Scotland I would be asking the SNP leadership if they thought there were better uses of their limited number of motions than trying to set Labour traps over a conflict over which the U.K. has very little influence?
Opposition day motions are not legally binding but you may as well use them if you have them because the result represents the will of Parliament and their motion represented the will of the majority of Scots But in any case I don't think it was a trap. I believe that the SNP are the innocent parties in this farce. Let's not forget that on Tuesday when Labour announced it's own amendment to the SNP motion, that was the first time they had actually backed an immediate humanitarian ceasefire. Until then Starmer had been calling for a “sustainable” end to the conflict" and whipping his party to abstain on a ceasefire.
I do think the Scottish have bigger issues in their own country though and have little influence in the Gaza conflict.
There are plenty of "normal humans" taking part in the killing.
I’m not sure they are normal but that’s another debate.
I suppose that largely depends on whether you think Starmer is a part of that right-wing alliance or not.
First point - yes I do understand that you think Starmer may be just a right wing plant but for me as the only possible alternative, and despite the polls in my view even that is still against the odds, we must give him a chance.
I don't think Starmer is a right-wing plant. More likely to have been identified by Blair, Mandelson etc. although I don't believe they're left-wing in any traditional sense. The Labour party is now positioned where a more prominent Liberal party would ususally sit. Very much centre-right economically with very little in the way of left-wing social politcs. Starmer is the figurehead for that but the main body of Labour MPs have been pushing that way for some time.
I don’t think I’m as into it all as you but I would say Labour are positioned where they think they have a genuine chance of winning an election in a country where the electorate have been conditioned by the right wing media to think in a certain way. It is what it is.