This Clapham attack

Mountain Climber said:
Both political parties have been responsible for unfettered immigration where criminals have been entering this country for years. We have enough of our own criminals why allow even more in?

So we now have Albanian gangs running drug dealing and prostitution in most major cities. ( Albania another safe country that these thugs stressed is unsafe and subsequently allowed into the UK. )

The civil service is now running the asylum system. The views of the majority of people in this country who want stricter regulation and people 'illegally' living here sent back are being ignored.

They are telling us that Turkey is not a 'safe' country to send people back to and yet thousands of Britons holiday there each year.

Our population is rising significantly with pressure on the NHS, Schools, and the Criminal Justice System. Kent has particularly taken the brunt of unlimited migration with local, English born residents, struggling to find school placements for their own children.

Meanwhile the tax payers are paying millions of pounds to house people in hotels when our own war veterans are sleeping on the street. This is the reality.

As the saying goes 'You couldn't make it up'
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These issues started with the small boat crossings back in 2018. You need to look who was in power and what decisions they made that caused it. That isn’t Labour’s fault.

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Immigration did begin to increase under Labour but maxing out at 250,000 net. Hardly unfettered. Look what has happened since the children took over the Tory party - it has exploded. Only 8% of the figures are small boats. The Tories have either chosen to increase numbers or they are incompetent.

You mention returns agreements - Turkey for example. You can’t just fly folk and drop them off at any country you fancy, you need to negotiate a return agreement. That’s the Government who have failed to sort this issue, not Labour.

If you want to point the finger at anyone at least point it at the right people. No point banging on about 1997 and Labour, it’s 25 years ago. Plus I can’t remember any of these problems under Blair and Brown. The country was thriving.
 
festa5 said:
Almost as if it's lots of different people expressing varying opinions rather than just one person writing all the posts isn't it? 🤔
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Very clever. You are correct, it is very much like lots of different people expressing varying opinions.
Which is sort of my point.
The examples I gave were made by individual posters within single posts.
 
MolteniArcore said:
These issues started with the small boat crossings back in 2018. You need to look who was in power and what decisions they made that caused it. That isn’t Labour’s fault.

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Immigration did begin to increase under Labour but maxing out at 250,000 net. Hardly unfettered. Look what has happened since the children took over the Tory party - it has exploded. Only 8% of the figures are small boats. The Tories have either chosen to increase numbers or they are incompetent.

You mention returns agreements - Turkey for example. You can’t just fly folk and drop them off at any country you fancy, you need to negotiate a return agreement. That’s the Government who have failed to sort this issue, not Labour.

If you want to point the finger at anyone at least point it at the right people. No point banging on about 1997 and Labour, it’s 25 years ago. Plus I can’t remember any of these problems under Blair and Brown. The country was thriving.
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It was Labour who sent troops to Afghanistan, ultimately leading to more asylum claims, legitimate and otherwise.
 
JackG said:
It was Labour who sent troops to Afghanistan, ultimately leading to more asylum claims, legitimate and otherwise.
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They did. But it was a mainly US invasion. If we had sent no troops it wouldn’t have prevented asylum claims.

That was back in 2001 though.

Don’t kid yourselves, the Tories would have sent troops as well. We do pretty much anything the US ask of us - look at Rishi now acting all big and hard alongside the US.
 
We are as a nation defined in part by our compassion to others especially those at risk of persecution and worse.
As a wealthy country we should do our part.
Imo Immigrants enrich our Country and its a fact that the vast majority of them are decent honest people certainly more tolerant than the knuckledragging insular bigots that populate the right.
It's tragic that this convicted sex offender was allowed to stay here, both for those poor victims and for fact this awful episode will undoubtedly have an impact on the applications of genuine asylum seekers.
Whoever made that decision to grant him asylum should try and justify it publicly and be held to account.
 
Rofesleg said:
Bit all over the place this thread.

Accusing people of focusing their anger on the perpetrator instead of thinking about the victims in one breath, then focusing their own anger on the government in the next.

Claiming the media are obsessed with the asylum seeking status of the attacker whilst also calling it shameful that the government allows asylum seekers like him to be out and about. Isn't that basically doing the same thing?

Some incidents are best not to be used for political point scoring.
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While questions may need to be asked about how this specimen was allowed in the focus should be a lot higher on the victims of it's actions
I hope the victims make a full recovery, but can't find it in me to wish the perpetrator the same
 
Geoff_B said:
Granted by a court as stated above, rejected by the government, not sure your comment reflects this.

Thoughts with the victims, not playing the blame game on their behalf
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Who has been in power for the last 14 years - with a majority in much of that time - to be able to make the laws that courts are allowed to apply?
 
We can't send asylum seekers back/or to a country where they face fear of persecution. Unless your advocating that government should have done that or support a system that does that, such as the Rwanda proposal
 
Geoff_B said:
What’s the answer! Are you advocating stricter asylum controls? No entry for anyone with a criminal record? Certain types of criminal record? Zero tolerance approach?

No thought that said person could have been rehabilitated? Such as a priest supporting the application?

All well and good criticising but what would your approach be? What policy would you like to see government of the day implement?
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Why would you let criminals in when you have a choice? Why take the risk? Sod rehabilitation
 
Posted by Musk on twitter
iden’s strategy is very simple:

1. Get as many illegals in the country as possible.

2. Legalize them to create a permanent majority – a one-party state.

That is why they are encouraging so much illegal immigration. Simple, yet effective.
Sound familiar?
Also remind yourselves who fought and won for illegal immigrants to receive benefits in the uk .
Take away the incentives and only the genuine immigrants will make the trip here , or do as France are going to do no benefits for 5 year and a whole host of other measures .
If they can do it why are we doing NOTHING to prevent the benefit chasing illegals ?
Or is Elon Musk just stating the obvious above .
And I really do hope the piece of scum who committed the horrific attack is in severe pain and gets what he is due .
His victims will suffer for the rest of their lives .
 
Unknown1 said:
Posted by Musk on twitter
iden’s strategy is very simple:

1. Get as many illegals in the country as possible.

2. Legalize them to create a permanent majority – a one-party state.

That is why they are encouraging so much illegal immigration. Simple, yet effective.
Sound familiar?
Also remind yourselves who fought and won for illegal immigrants to receive benefits in the uk .
Take away the incentives and only the genuine immigrants will make the trip here , or do as France are going to do no benefits for 5 year and a whole host of other measures .
If they can do it why are we doing NOTHING to prevent the benefit chasing illegals ?
Or is Elon Musk just stating the obvious above .
And I really do hope the piece of scum who committed the horrific attack is in severe pain and gets what he is due .
His victims will suffer for the rest of their lives .
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Can I have some of whatever it is that you've been smoking?
 
Unknown1 said:
Posted by Musk on twitter
iden’s strategy is very simple:

1. Get as many illegals in the country as possible.

2. Legalize them to create a permanent majority – a one-party state.

That is why they are encouraging so much illegal immigration. Simple, yet effective.
Sound familiar?
Also remind yourselves who fought and won for illegal immigrants to receive benefits in the uk .
Take away the incentives and only the genuine immigrants will make the trip here , or do as France are going to do no benefits for 5 year and a whole host of other measures .
If they can do it why are we doing NOTHING to prevent the benefit chasing illegals ?
Or is Elon Musk just stating the obvious above .
And I really do hope the piece of scum who committed the horrific attack is in severe pain and gets what he is due .
His victims will suffer for the rest of their lives .
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You’re off your rocker mate. I suspect you’re referring to the issue of immigration in the United States? But you seem to lack a basic understanding of how immigrants from some countries e.g. Cuba, often favour Republican Party politics.

In addition, would this be a tweet from South African immigrant Elon Musk or some other Elon Musk?
 
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