* The Unofficial "Official" 152nd Tees - Wear "Derby" Match-Day Thread *

r00fie1

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Its much much more than that time again>>>>

THE 152nd TEES - WEAR DERBY

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12:30 hours. Saturday 7th October 2023

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Michael Carrick, asked if the Mackems v Boro game was a "derby", came out with a broad smile and skipped the question, saying:

What`s a “derby” really? I think its local. Both teams are looking forward to it. Both supporters are looking forward to it. It means a lot...an awful lot. [Laughs] I don’t really know what it is these days, you know what I mean. I don’t know if you can say its 100% or not , but its a huge game for the area, in terms of the North East. Fantastic game and its why we love football. we`l have to approach it like any other game . There`s no hiding there`s an extra bit of emotion and extra bit of excitement about the place ….and that`s brilliant. You got to use that as a positive.

For a Geordie thats as close as we`re going to get for a "yes". But he`s under no illusion the game has more than the usual challenges and excitement about it. He spoke at his media conference of the Boro Boys controling and amanging their emotions. He pointed out that many of our players have been involved in "big" games before, so its not one which is completely unique. Carrick is confident the boys will be fired up to take on the deckchairs in the big bowl:

......as a player its something you got to deal with. You got to take it [emotion] a little bit, but you got to hide it [smile]. A little bit as well. That`s the challenge. The boys have all played in big games…...in these type of games before, so I don’t worry….or have any concerns with them of how they deal with that.

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Tony mowbray, may be a Boro Legend, but for Saturday he is the enemy. He is commanding our local rivals, whether they think its a "derby" or not. Carrick made a comment which went over most reporteres heads, implying that the Mackems might not be as good as they think they are, whilst praising Mowbrays achievements keeping them in the championship:

They`re playing very well, had a really good start to the season, got a young team. From their point of view [they have] a lot of young talent there and Tony`s [Mowbray] done a terrific job and molding them together. A really good game for us, you know, exciting. The type of game you want to be involved in and test yourself. The boys will be looking forward to it, the supporters will be looking forward to it and…...lets hope for a good game and a good performance from us [smile]. Give us a chance to get the right result.

The recent victories over Watford and Cardiff have certainly reignited the potential, the passion and drive to win from the players through to us fans. For Carrick and his staff though, nothing has changed in training or in approach to players. He says "we believe in what we believe in" and means it. When asked about changes for the Sunderland game he looked straight at the reporter and replied with a big smile:

Its not for me to tell you that!.....We look at them as well and there`s certain things we will try and make a difference in the game. [Smile]. That`s sport. That`s football, but I`m certainly not going to throw them out here now.....We play how we play and we believe in it strongly. Tony`s the same with his Sunlun team and its who`s the best on the day that counts.

An early goal would certainly quieten the Mackem crowd, but Carrick wants to ensure the boys are level headed - able to manage the excitement and the extra "edge" the 152nd Tees - wear Derby throws up. Its hard to predict how the game will go and pointed to the Watford game as a perfect example:

Who would predict we would have been two up last week at Watford in such a short space of time, so its difficult to predict. They`l be a good atmosphere, a lot of noise in the stadium, a lot of emotion around...as I said before...and that intensity. So that`s part of what we`ve got to manage. [To] Be ready for whatever the game throws at us.
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In spite of the calm exterior, it appeared that the anticipation, excitement and the support from us fans, has spilled over into training and amongst the boys since the Cardiff win: when you look at our Gaffa`s experiences in football, his support for the Toon as a lad and playing in some of the biggest "derbys" of all time - he knows exactly what it means. As Boro Head Coach, he has integrity and professionalism, but there must be a little voice in his head that reminded him of just what beating the deck-chairs means. He was quite animated and looked up and ready at several moments. None more than when speaking about the boys and keeping their feet firmly on the floor:

...you almost need to calm yourself down and keep your feet on the ground. Its a constant battle to be in the right spot to be able to have your peak performance. They`l be...a big atmosphere, a lot of emotion [and] intensity around the game. But when you got to perform you got to pull yourself away from that….think clearly and have a composure about you [and] still have that fire in you [smile] and that passion, which the boys will have. Its the balance you got to find for these games and thats what we look forward to….where you want to be involve.….right at the front of it. Thats what Saturday brings.

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We know we have key players out with injury, which is unfortunate, but Carrick has said before "thats what having a squad is all about". We have players who can play in different roles - especially some of the younger, newer, players. For Carrick, the squad has "settled down", which is no more than he expected. Integrating and assimilating players into an existing squad is a matter of time and experience. But the real test has been on the pitch. Four wins [including the Cup] after a very disappointing start, has pushed us up the table and shown what we are capable of. According to Carrick there is more to come and there is no reason to doubt that:

I`ve seen them from day one to be honest with you. I think results havent been….start of the season…... weren’t what we kind of hoped for or expected, but it was nothing to do with just being “new signings” by any stretch. It was just finding our way, finding our form, finding our rythym and great that the boys have had a good week. The squads getting stronger. We`re improving, developing …..definitely getting better as a team. I was pleased for them boys [the newer players] in particular [on Tuesday] because that was a step for them and they`l be definitely more to come.
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It doesnt matter whether the Deckchairs think its a "derby" or not. From experience of many decades, its always had that special atmosphere. A heightened awareness by the fans of what the game means. Its never been "just another game" or a "tough test". The Mackems should be grateful they have a team close enough to play against. During their spell in the third tier of English football, their nearest derby [if my geography serves me right] was Bradford City. I`m sure someone may tell us if they know differently.

Nevertheless. Form goes out the window in a local derby. Lets hope all fans and players are safe. The main focus is on the pitch. even though we have a sprinkling of seats, shoved away in the corner, we will drown out the noisy neighbours. We have absolutely nothing to fear. Its not our problem if they have injuries to deal with. We can only control what we can control.

Michael Carrick had a message for Boro Fans travelling to The Stadium of Light:

The support they`ve given us over a period of time now has been pretty special – away from home. You know – selling out and supporting us loud every week. I think they can see the effort and the kind of attitude the boys are giving on the pitch. That`s all they can do. We`l have some good games….and some games maybe don’t quite go to plan. Hopefully, [big smile] this one does just that and goes to plan quite nicely [big smile].

Three points will do "nicely".

We can do this!

Up The Mighty Boro!!!




r00fie1 06.10.23
 
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Sunlun fans werent initially over-elated, at the time it was announced Tony Mowbray had signed to become the Manager at The Stadium of Light. Mogga took over from Caretaker Manager, Martin Canning after the departure of Alex Neil. Mogga was the 20th Sunderland Manager [including Caretaker-Managers] since Paolo Dicanio! He took over a squad with a mixture of youth and old heads, but had to rely heavilly [to begin with] on loan players. Typical Mogga, he managed to source players and bring the best out of a young squad - with them finishing sixth last season. Not bad after four seasons in the third tier [The old Division Three] and the fitrst season back in the Championship.

This season, he has carried on where he left off, despite losing Ellis Simms [back to Everton following his successful loan spell] and star striker Ross Stewart joining Southampton.
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Other players to depart Moggas squad include Danny Batth [joined Norwich], Lynden Gooch [Joined Alex Neil at Stoke], Carl Winchester [Joined Shrewsbury] and Joe Gelhardt, who went back to Leeds after his loan expired at Sunderland.

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The game Saturday is no less tricky for Sunlun regards injuries:
Some key players are already ruled out.


Alex Pritchard suffered a calf strain against Watford and Mowbray isnt expecting him to feature against us.
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Bradley Dack - been out with a hamstring problem, but Mowbray doesnt want to push him back into action before the International Break.
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Piere Ekwa - wont be ready until after the International Break.
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Aji Alese - still in recovery.
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Others include:


Eliezer Mayenda [Hamstring]

Timothee Pembele [Cruciate ligament]

Dennis Cerkin [Hamstring]

Jay Matete [Knee]

Corry Evans [Cruciate ligament]
 
Tony Mowbray - On Boro
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Its been a year since Tony arrived on wearside and says he understands the passion for football in the North East. Quoted in the Sunderland Echo [*] , Mogga has noted how we rotate our team and believes we are well coached, saying "we know how they play". He highlights Boro having "some good players" and being aware of our strengths. Clearly Mogga doesnt take our threat lightly. He also acknowledged how we moved on many players in the summer and had to wait for our team to gel:

“They seem to have taken a bit of time to gel with the new players but they play the same system and I think he’s just been trying to acclimatise his new players, because he lost a lot of quality in the summer, some loans went back to their parent clubs. Akpom was obviously sold to Holland. "

Is Sunlun v Boro a "derby"? Mogga said it is for Teessiders, but for Sunlun - their only derby is against the Mags. We can argue that one all day. But we irritate Sunlun something rotten. They do think its a derby, but darent admit it!


* [https://www.sunderlandecho.com/spor...-news-including-alex-pritchard-latest-4362456]
 
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STATS:

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Sunderland v Middlesbrough Record.

Sunderland have been in and out of the various leagues for a number of seasons. We`ve played four cup and six league games since 2012.

Sunderland
[Cup] W1 D1 L2
[League] W1 D1 L4


Boro
[Cup] W2 D1 L1
[League] W4 D1 L1


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Championship Table:

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Form - Last Four:

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Sunderland / Boro Head To Head:


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League Trends:

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Deckchairs - Last Time Out:

[Wednesday 3rd October 2023]

Sunderland 2 Watford 0

Huggins [43]*. Ba [62].
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* It was Niall Huggins first senior goal of his career.

Sunderland could have added to their tally if they had aimed for the net instead of the area outside it.

The win left sunderland in 4th place after 10 games in The Championship.
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TOP SCORERS - SUNDERLAND:

Goals [Games]
Jack Clark - 7 [10]
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Daniel Neil - 2 [10]
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Danny Ballard - 2 [10]
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Jobe Bellingham - 2 [10]
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1983 - 84

The Best Team Sunlun Ever Had?

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Plus - Leighton James. Signed from Swansea and in one season made 42 appearances and scored four goals.
Nicky Pickering lived in South Shields - a "local" hero at the time.
Colin West - from Wallsend, began his career at Sunlun and had a career spanning twenty years. He finished at Hartlepool starting one game.
Gary Rowell hailed from Seaham and made 257 appearances for the black cats. Fron 1985 / 86 he was in the Boro side which hit the buffers before the gates were locked. He still made 27 appearances for us and scored 10 goals.
Stan Cummins "Little Stan" played for both Boro and Sunderland.
Ian Munroe moved down from Scotland with Manager Alan Durban and made 80 appearances.
Rob Hindmarch was from Morpeth and was another product of Wallsend Boys Club. He wasnt afraid to go in for the crunching tackle. Unfortunately he developed Motor Neurone Desease and passed away at the age of 41 in 2002.
Ian Atkins was a Brummie who stayed for a short period at Roker Park but was a reliable midfielder.
Gordon Chisolm was a tough glaswegian and spent seven years at Sunderland.
Barry Venison played for both Sunderland and Newcastle in his career and ended up working as a commentator in USA for TV and Radio.
I would perhaps add Shaun Elliot, who was a tough defender, made over 321 appearances for the Black Cats. I remember him tacking out some of our lads in his time.

[Edited. With photographs from: https://gombfocikepek.blogspot.com/2013/02/sunderland-afc-1983-84.html]
 
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Great piece r00fie, just would say swap deckchairs for seagull sh@ggers and its looking good.

Have to say I'm bricking it. My first visit to the SoL today. Will take a point thankyou very much.
Head says 3-1 Sunderland
Heart says 2-1 boro.
Michael Carrick's red and white army, we hate Sunderland!
 
I fancy us for a win today! Good luck to Michael Carrick, the lads and the travelling red army. C’mon Boro
 
Great piece r00fie, just would say swap deckchairs for seagull sh@ggers and its looking good.

Have to say I'm bricking it. My first visit to the SoL today. Will take a point thankyou very much.
Head says 3-1 Sunderland
Heart says 2-1 boro.
Michael Carrick's red and white army, we hate Sunderland!
Aye up chap.
Are use still putiing the team up - I use old manual tech and you`re much quicker at it.
Hope you enjoy the game at the big jelly-mould.
I prefered Joker Park, back in the day.
Intimidating and loud.
You could practically coach the players from the stands.
Only ever got dragged to Roker Park by a Mackem once.
It was a 0-0 against the Mags.
Never went again - only with Boro.

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Who Are Ya ?!

Anthony Vickers wrote a piece for the Gazette back in 2016, but it still brings a smile and a chuckle, thinking about the little fishing village on the Wear.....
[Edited]

Since the Black Cats moved to their new home in 1997, Boro have regularly plundered points there and have also caused cup upsets.
Boro won 2-1 in the first Wear-Tees derby clash there with a rocket shot from Emerson the memory moment and they have had the upper hand ever since. In 12 games Boro have won six, drawn three and lost three, scoring 16 and conceding 10. That’s not a bad set of stats. Here’s a look back at those dozen dust-ups on Wearside:

SUNDERLAND 1 BORO 2

September 28, 1997

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Emerson goal v Sunderland 1997

Boro won the first Wear-Tees encounter at the new ground thanks to an Emerson screamer on 68 minutes and a Robbie Mustoe chip, both engineered by Magic Man Paul Merson. The hosts had a good Martin Smith goal ruled off side early on and did much of the attacking but had to settle for a late Kevin Ball consolation.

SUNDERLAND 1 BORO 1
March 18, 2000

A scrappy game was littered with fouls and the nine yellow cards out-numbered the clear cut chances. Niall Quinn nodded them ahead on 67 minutes and Boro levelled as Christian Ziege played a one-two with Brian Deane to lob the advancing keeper from 20 yards.

SUNDERLAND 1 BORO 0

December 9, 2000


Terry Venables took charge for the first time and saw a reshaped Boro put in a spirited show. Martin Gray drilled the hosts ahead on 54 minutes but Boro should have had a penalty soon after when Darren Williams chopped down Hamilton Ricard only for the Colombian to be booked by Graham Poll for ‘diving’.

SUNDERLAND 0 BORO 1

January 29, 2002

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Noel Whelan beats Thomas Sorensen of Sunderland to score.

Ten-man Boro dug in to claim victory in a backs-to-the-wall display of steel and industry. Phil Stamp sent Noel Whelan storming forward to score on 14 minutes but then Boro had to dig deep, especially when Luca Festa was sent off early in the second half for spitting blood at Kevin Phillips following a flying elbow.

SUNDERLAND 1 BORO 3

February 22, 2003

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Middlesbrough's Chris Riggott (C) celebrates after scoring against Sunderland in 2003
New boys Chris Riggott and Malcolm Christie - a deadline day double buy from Derby - did the damage as Boro cruised to victory. Riggott slammed home on 20 minutes as the hapless hosts failed to clear a flag-kick then repeated the trick for a second soon after. Phillips pulled one back on 54 minutes but Christie latched onto a poor back pass to seal it.

SUNDERLAND 0 BORO 3

January 31, 2006

Boro heaped the agony on rock bottom Sunderland with a clinical display. Emanuel Pogatetz headed in off the bar on 18 minutes and Stuart Parnaby added a second on the half hour before Jimmy Floyd Hasselbaink hammered home a second half sizzler.

SUNDERLAND 3 BORO 2

April 26, 2008

A last-gasp Daryl Murphy goal ensured Boro paid the price for some sloppy defending. Tuncay put Boro ahead on four minutes but Danny Higginbottom quickly pegged it back and Michael Chopra squirmed free to put Sunderland ahead in first-half stoppage time. Boro grabbed a lifeline through Afonso Alves on 73 minutes but then leaked at a late corner.

SUNDERLAND 1 BORO 1

January 29, 2012

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Middlesbrough's Barry Robson (centre right) is congratulated after scoring his side's first goal during the FA Cup, Fourth Round match at the Stadium of Light, Sunderland
Barry Robson fired in the opener on 16 minutes as Tony Mowbray’s second tier high-fliers took control but after the game the Scot tossed away his man of the match bubbly as he fumed in frustration: his stumble let in Frazier Campbell for a second half leveller. Boro lost the Riverside replay 2-1 in extra time.

SUNDERLAND 0 BORO 1

October 30, 2012

Boro players celebrate after Scott McDonald's goal

Boro celebrate after Scott McDonald's goal

Scott McDonald scored early on as Mowbray’s Championship side bossed the game, created the best of the chances held off a late rally to book a place in the quarter finals of the Capital One Cup. They lost 1-0 in the last eight away at Swansea.
 
A Mackems Lament: Memories of Roker Park
Taken from The Roker Report. An article by James Henchard [@MrHenchard] on his memories of Roker Park before its final demise and eventual demolition. Written and published on May 13th 2017.

20 Years On: Remembering Roker Park - memories of a beautiful & grand old football ground​


Twenty years ago today Roker Park closed its doors for the final time before being bulldozed and lost forever as a new era for Sunderland AFC dawned. This is just one man's musings as he ponders where the time went - I'd like to hear yours.

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Today marks twenty years since Roker Park closed. Two decades. Good lord.

The final game at the old ground took place on May 13th 1997, a 1-0 victory over Liverpool in a friendly played out in order to signal the end of an era. Just ten days earlier a 3-0 victory over Everton wasn’t enough to prevent Sunderland being relegated from a first ever foray in to the Premier League - a suitably poignant manner in which the old passed into the new perhaps.

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Many of us have stories to reminisce about the grand old lady of Sunderland. How time flies and how memories fade. Already just two decades on, Roker already seems to belong to a long bygone era - it did even in 1997 to be honest, but that was the beauty of it.

Like many of you, I still miss it. But, my love for Roker was not one of countless decades. I grew up there and once I became a man, it closed.

I turned 21 a few weeks after that final game. I suppose that coming of age just after the old place closed was fitting; a transition into adulthood moulded by the generations past and present with whom joy, pain, laughter and, dare I say it, love were shared.

But, this isn’t about me; it’s about bricks, concrete, grass and steel. It’s about men, boys, women and girls who crafted a history that still makes my heart ache a little when I recall it.

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Shot taken during Roker’s final game .

Roker Park was ours; the cool air from the sea, the concrete terraces, the metal barriers, the floodlights, the tobacco fug and the people who escaped their hard lives for a couple of hours to share a mutual moment amongst friends and strangers.

Roker Park was as hard and unforgiving as the men and women who built it and the industries in which they worked and the streets from which they sprung; but it also had an incredible warmth and humour that you will only find here in our far corner of the world.

Towards the end it was a bit of a tip, but it was always an elegant tip; and it had the greenest grass I’ve ever seen.
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A perplexing rage engulfed many of us when excerpts from Lawrie McMenemy’s autobiography recently emerged. His description of the “antiquated” old girl and how she was “unhygienic” and “inadequate” irked.

Of course it was unhygienic, in a bygone age men ***ed in the open air for god's sake and they considered it an extension of their home; beery belching, expletives and tribalism. That was the point; McMenemy didn’t get it then, and now in his dotage the old blowhard still doesn’t.

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McMenemy & Cowie; nothing good came of either Credit: Sirbobmurray.com

It’s gone, but I still feel wrong turning left out of the Cambridge instead of right. I still feel a pang along by the Harbour View where the old bus dropped us Durham mackems off and we'd trudge up the alleys lured by the sight of those floodlights.

Roker Baths Road looks sombre without the old lady of Sunderland looming above the terraces and I still feel cheated that they built boxy looking new-builds with cringe-worthy names on top of it. Promotion Close, Midfield Drive and Turnstile Mews? Dear me.

For me, Roker Park is my lost youth. As a 16-year-old I worked all summer long to buy the very first season ticket of my own which would lead me from the Main Stand Paddocks where I had grown up with my dad, into the Fulwell with my mates.

In the days before a minimum wage, a quid an hour took some slog to raise the moderate amount required. But the feeling of pride which that young lad felt - who was once me - as he took the hike from across town to Roker to buy that first book of tickets blew away that grey Sunderland drizzle lashing his face.

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Middle age is a harsh reality, and this twenty years since I came of age is a bit of a kick. Two decades? How did that happen I ask again.

Our new stadium has reached its twentieth year and we’ll look to the future. But, lest the current guardians forget – being custodian of this great football club is an honour. It is a responsibility, to me and to you; but moreover to our forebears who built it. Its heritage is our heritage and it ought not be given over for a few pennies of providence.
 
Been to sol twice. Won both times. Never made it to Roker unfortunately looked a good ground to visit. Same architect I believe as awesome ayresome. Can't beat turning them over away, good buzz leaving the ground. Looks like there's a ridiculously heavy nortumbria police presence today. They are worse than the mackems.
 
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