The bigger picture is the politicians over decades have clearly and massively got so much wrong.
Hilarious when people say it’s the tories like it’s just happened. It’s successive incompetent administrations going back years.
The Migrant problem.
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Hilarious when people say it’s the tories like it’s just happened. It’s successive incompetent administrations going back years.
1finny
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Hilarious?
Here is what the stats tell us
Since 2003 immigration was running at around 300000 a year
2022 was a record for immigration at over 750000
2023 was a new record for immigration at 1.4m
SmallTown
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And illegal Immigrants. There genuinely ARE some of these. But people who think there is a migrant problem think YOUR list is the problem, and not mine. Which is sad
Unravel_Morrison
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Like with a lot of issues, the two main parties don't appear to be willing to be honest with the general population.
We need immigration due to the aging population. At some point you run out of people to pay taxes and for whatever reason, societally we have made it ruinously expensive to breed and raise children.
A lot of politics is about distraction and for whatever reason, the governments have decided to pretend to care about the smaller issues (not just on immigration) to mask what is happening elsewhere..
We need immigration due to the aging population. At some point you run out of people to pay taxes and for whatever reason, societally we have made it ruinously expensive to breed and raise children.
A lot of politics is about distraction and for whatever reason, the governments have decided to pretend to care about the smaller issues (not just on immigration) to mask what is happening elsewhere..
r00fie1
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What are the "legal" routes to asylum seekers and refugees to the UK?
Where is the Government website, explaining the legal routes and how they can be accessed?
SmallTown
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Not many is the sad answer. You can't "legally" get in from Syria for example, or Yemen. Only, of course you CAN because it's legal to claim asylum in any country. Just our government makes it hard by blocking access to the routes. I didn't mean "stop the boats" illegal/legal. I meant the very small, I think it's 3.2%? of asylum cases that are rejected. Actual illegal immigrants. These are a problem, just an extremely small one.
It's a good point though, when people say there is a "migrant" problem. They are thinking of legal, right to be here migrants. Not the actual illegal migrants who, as discussed, are an absolute tiny minority.
Unravel_Morrison
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The main problem here isn't actually anything to do with the issues at hand; it's the way that politicians and the media try and convince the public that there can be simple fixes for complex problems.
Even the likes of Reform, who are using this as their main target policy don't have a credible plan to do anything; they just like using the issue as a stick to beat the anti-foreigner drum.
How many times do we hear 'turn the boats around'? How does that even work? Somebody on Twitter the other day on my timeline suggested towing the boats to the Atlantic Ocean if we can't take them back to France.
Even the likes of Reform, who are using this as their main target policy don't have a credible plan to do anything; they just like using the issue as a stick to beat the anti-foreigner drum.
How many times do we hear 'turn the boats around'? How does that even work? Somebody on Twitter the other day on my timeline suggested towing the boats to the Atlantic Ocean if we can't take them back to France.
Mustoes boots
Member
The Rwanda scheme was a wheeze created by Boris Johnson in 2022 to deflect from partygate. It will not stop the boats, this is purely a Tory / Tufton Street created problem which they hope has a number of effects:
1 Blame someone for failure of education, health housing policy etc.
2 Create an enemy to keep the masses from complaining about the Government
3 persuade ignorant voters to get rid of their rights such as environmental standards, employment, peaceful protest, lgal rights etc.
1 Blame someone for failure of education, health housing policy etc.
2 Create an enemy to keep the masses from complaining about the Government
3 persuade ignorant voters to get rid of their rights such as environmental standards, employment, peaceful protest, lgal rights etc.
r00fie1
Well-known member
I`ll give you two real cases of their experience seeking permanent residency in UK:
1. A man in his late 30`s was an Interpreter "terp" for British Armed Forces in Afghanistan: providing liaison with friendly forces and local people in order to gather intelligence, and support soldiers on patrol and fighting enemy forces. He faced the daily trauma of battle, seeing troops shot and killed, and was threatened by other Afghans for being a traitor. Upon British withdrawal from Afghanistan, he applied for British citizenship, having returned with British Forces. His application for asylum was initially rejected, despite him facing a severe threat of death in Afghanistan. He was told he was being deported back to Afghan until a soldiers' charity was contacted on his behalf to provide legal and logistical support to fight his case. It took over two years, during which time he couldn't work, received no financial support, other than hand-outs from the Charity, and lived on an ex-soldier`s sofa.
2. A young adult from Jamaica with a British passport who came over to the UK and successfully completed the "tough" process of training and eventually passing out as a Royal Marine Commando. He served 16 years in some of the most dangerous places around the globe, engaged in activities and scenarios most people can't begin to imagine. He retired from the Marines, and just a few months later received a deportation order, alleging he didn't have a British passport or a right to stay in the UK and therefore was an illegal alien. Again, he was supported legally and financially by a Forces charity. Like the man above, he was left in limbo, until eventually he was granted British citizenship.
Our whole "Citizenship" system is a flipping disgrace. If we threaten to deport people who have either been elite troops or essential to protecting our forces lives by risking their own, what the eck are we having done in our names?
2. A young adult from Jamaica with a British passport who came over to the UK and successfully completed the "tough" process of training and eventually passing out as a Royal Marine Commando. He served 16 years in some of the most dangerous places around the globe, engaged in activities and scenarios most people can't begin to imagine. He retired from the Marines, and just a few months later received a deportation order, alleging he didn't have a British passport or a right to stay in the UK and therefore was an illegal alien. Again, he was supported legally and financially by a Forces charity. Like the man above, he was left in limbo, until eventually he was granted British citizenship.
Our whole "Citizenship" system is a flipping disgrace. If we threaten to deport people who have either been elite troops or essential to protecting our forces lives by risking their own, what the eck are we having done in our names?