The last time people were posting like this…

viv_andersons_nana

viv_andersons_nana

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… with such resignation, that the season was over, that we were heading for League One, that Woodgate and Scott and Bausor should be sacked, that the chairman had ‘got what he wanted’, that the team was a mess and going nowhere and incapable of playing out from the back… was around that game at Hillsborough.

I think we won our next six league games. This same group of players won those six. It wouldn’t surprise me if we did the same again. It’s the nature of the league. We all know this by now, surely.

We know this team is capable of great things and poor things, often in the same game. That’s just the nature of it. Not just the nature of the league but the team, and the manager as well. It’s easy to forget he’s in his first job and is still learning and working things out. He has to be allowed to make mistakes as well.

Bottom line is, this team is just as capable of winning the next 5 or 6 as they are losing them. And before anyone chimes in with no they aren’t, etc, we’ve already done it once this season. Carrick has a history of turning around runs of poor form. Personally I think he will do it again.
 
viv_andersons_nana said:
… with such resignation, that the season was over, that we were heading for League One, that Woodgate and Scott and Bausor should be sacked, that the chairman had ‘got what he wanted’, that the team was a mess and going nowhere and incapable of playing out from the back… was around that game at Hillsborough.

I think we won our next six league games. This same group of players won those six. It wouldn’t surprise me if we did the same again. It’s the nature of the league. We all know this by now, surely.

We know this team is capable of great things and poor things, no often in the same game. That’s just the nature of it. Not just the nature of the league but the team, and the manager as well. It’s easy to forget he’s in his first job and is still learning and working things out. He has to be allowed to make mistakes as well.

Bottom line is, this team is just as capable of winning the next 5 or 6 as they are losing them. And before anyone chimes in with no they aren’t, etc, we’ve already done it once this season. Carrick has a history of turning around runs of poor form. Personally I think he will do it again.
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We do have the capability.. but if we’re setting the team up like we did yesterday then we have major problems. Cool hand Carrick soon becomes Carrick fingers when we sit there with a garbage set up clearly not working.
 
The same team? How many have now gone or are out injured? We haven’t got a striker to score, well actually we have a CF but for some reason Carrick refuses to play him up top. You really are dreaming if you think we will go on any sort of win streak again this season, all a team has to do is press us high up the pitch and we fumble, Carrick won’t change any tactics and will continue playing people out of position
 
newyddion said:
We do have the capability.. but if we’re setting the team up like we did yesterday then we have major problems. Cool hand Carrick soon becomes Carrick fingers when we sit there with a garbage set up clearly not working.
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I’m not sure if we do have the capability now, Jones is out as are numerous other players, Rogers and Crooks are gone and Carrick has proven that when a team figures us out and exploits us, he’d rather sit twiddling his thumbs than change the tactics
 
We've never really managed consistency over the season.

Started the season badly, won 5?6? off the bounce in October, but been up/down all season.

Injuries have knackered us, but that's football 🤷🏻‍♂️🤷🏻‍♂️

Frustrating, but kind of get the big picture and think Carrick and a lot of the players will learn a lot from this season.

Personally, based on experience, I wonder if the Errea kit sizes are having an effect on the players? Shorts a bit tight aroooond the ar*e, affecting confidence. 🤔🤔
 
We don't have to tools to do this though we have no striker have no Jones have no Smith can't see where the next wins coming from and it's February
 
We are capable of beating anyone in this league. It's the championship so that's true of pretty much everyone. The problem is we can't do it consistently (over a full season). Even if we win our next 6 it would probably be followed by a run of poor results. In the championship teams regularly have good and bad runs. Thinking the good run is the real team and all other results are blips is where fans make errors. Good (and bad) runs are just part of an inconsistent season.
 
newyddion said:
We do have the capability.. but if we’re setting the team up like we did yesterday then we have major problems. Cool hand Carrick soon becomes Carrick fingers when we sit there with a garbage set up clearly not working.
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Exactly this. Strangely I think next Saturday we might set up like we did against Villa and Chelsea at home, five at the back and get something. I would like to see that approach tried more often, yes we lose something going creatively, but we are shooting ourselves in the foot with the silly goals we give away being so open with our four man defence, at least one of whom (Engel) can’t defend.
 
Geoff_B said:
Roger’s, crooks, latte lath, coburn, jones, bangura, smith….. all missing, not quite the same group.

We aren’t gonna win 6 on the spin… you got any of that stuff your smoking for sale? Could do with a laugh 😆
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Forss, McGree, Greenwood, Thomas, Silvera, O’Brien, RVDB..
 
Otto42 said:
Exactly this. Strangely I think next Saturday we might set up like we did against Villa and Chelsea at home, five at the back and get something. I would like to see that approach tried more often, yes we lose something going creatively, but we are shooting ourselves in the foot with the silly goals we give away being so open with our four man defence, at least one of whom (Engel) can’t defend.
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We need Jones back for that
 
viv_andersons_nana said:
I think we won our next six league games. This same group of players won those six.
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That's the problem. It's not the same team at all. The day we turned it around against Southampton, only 4 of the starters started yesterday. Hackney, O'Brien, VDB and Fry. Out of them only one played the same position. Fry.

Its a totally different team that turned it round.

He had McGree, Howson, Coburn and Dieng on the bench.
He had Hackney out of position.
We've sold Crooks.
Jones and Lenihan are injured.

Get Engel and Barlaser out the team for a start.
Get Hackney back in his proper position.
Sort out whatever is going on with McGree and get him back in the team.

We have to suffer without Crooks and a striker but that's a failure of Scott.
 
Michael Carrick has referred to the need for “consistency” all season and is well aware of our weaknesses. He has also spoken of the frustration of not getting players we want because either clubs demand exorbitant fees or players move elsewhere. He has been hit with a terrible run of injuries, which at least one ill-informed reporter inferred may be down to his basic training methods!

Clearly, our only “consistency” is inconsistency. Like many, I would love it if the revolution started yesterday, or the week before, or the week before that. Unfortunately, it hasn't happened, and the prospects of it happening over less than a third of the remaining season is getting slimmer by the week.

As for the assertion that “poor form” can be turned round, there's no doubt it can. But, before we place the weight of the current plight firmly on Carrick's shoulders: he's been a Head Coach for less than 16 months. His very short spell at Manchester United was as one of several “assisting”, José Mourinho and Ole Gunnar Solskjær. His “history” is of taking Chris Wilder's disaster and turning it into one hell of a season and fizzling out at the end. In between we experienced goals and away wins like it was Christmas every day.

When we were doing well last year, all in the garden was rosy. We are not in the same boat now, and we have to accept hard reality. The likelihood of us going up this year are within the top ten possibles. Leicester are storming it, closely followed by Southampton.

We have to be realistic. Wouldn't it be great if we could come from behind like Luton and go up?

I'm a great believer in taking in the “big picture”, before knocking sideways the minor details of odd games and occasional losses. But, we have a streak of poor results and inconsistency which runs through this team like the red and white stripes through a stick of Redcar Rock!

Carrick did have this to say in his media conference on Thursday [which may give us hope], before Saturday's loss to the team who hadn't won a league game in five, since the turn of the new year:


How do you see the league table panning out. Will it be like last season going down to the last few games?

Who knows? Who knows, you know? I could sit and say anything right now…...part of it's guess work and, it's kind of irrelevant really. It's for us to make sure we are in and around it and give u`selves a chance. The only way of doing that is winning games and picking up points. It's normally tight. It normally goes close…..hopefully we can do great and be done by then, but the chances are it will go along [to the end of the season] yeah.

Five points out of the last 15 is not good form [!] in anyone's books. We just have to be realistic.

I hope I have to bear my hat in Binns window at the end of the season, and we get promoted into the sunny uplands of the Premiership. I don't fancy meeting Derby County in the Championship again.

UTMB!

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r00fie1 said:
Michael Carrick has referred to the need for “consistency” all season and is well aware of our weaknesses. He has also spoken of the frustration of not getting players we want because either clubs demand exorbitant fees or players move elsewhere. He has been hit with a terrible run of injuries, which at least one ill-informed reporter inferred may be down to his basic training methods!

Clearly, our only “consistency” is inconsistency. Like many, I would love it if the revolution started yesterday, or the week before, or the week before that. Unfortunately, it hasn't happened, and the prospects of it happening over less than a third of the remaining season is getting slimmer by the week.

As for the assertion that “poor form” can be turned round, there's no doubt it can. But, before we place the weight of the current plight firmly on Carrick's shoulders: he's been a Head Coach for less than 16 months. His very short spell at Manchester United was as one of several “assisting”, José Mourinho and Ole Gunnar Solskjær. His “history” is of taking Chris Wilder's disaster and turning it into one hell of a season and fizzling out at the end. In between we experienced goals and away wins like it was Christmas every day.

When we were doing well last year, all in the garden was rosy. We are not in the same boat now, and we have to accept hard reality. The likelihood of us going up this year are within the top ten possibles. Leicester are storming it, closely followed by Southampton.

We have to be realistic. Wouldn't it be great if we could come from behind like Luton and go up?

I'm a great believer in taking in the “big picture”, before knocking sideways the minor details of odd games and occasional losses. But, we have a streak of poor results and inconsistency which runs through this team like the red and white stripes through a stick of Redcar Rock!

Carrick did have this to say in his media conference on Thursday [which may give us hope], before Saturday's loss to the team who hadn't won a league game in five, since the turn of the new year:


How do you see the league table panning out. Will it be like last season going down to the last few games?

Who knows? Who knows, you know? I could sit and say anything right now…...part of it's guess work and, it's kind of irrelevant really. It's for us to make sure we are in and around it and give u`selves a chance. The only way of doing that is winning games and picking up points. It's normally tight. It normally goes close…..hopefully we can do great and be done by then, but the chances are it will go along [to the end of the season] yeah.

Five points out of the last 15 is not good form [!] in anyone's books. We just have to be realistic.

I hope I have to bear my hat in Binns window at the end of the season, and we get promoted into the sunny uplands of the Premiership. I don't fancy meeting Derby County in the Championship again.

UTMB!

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Consistency.. then he plays Hackney out of position.
 
viv_andersons_nana said:
… with such resignation, that the season was over, that we were heading for League One, that Woodgate and Scott and Bausor should be sacked, that the chairman had ‘got what he wanted’, that the team was a mess and going nowhere and incapable of playing out from the back… was around that game at Hillsborough.

I think we won our next six league games. This same group of players won those six. It wouldn’t surprise me if we did the same again. It’s the nature of the league. We all know this by now, surely.

We know this team is capable of great things and poor things, often in the same game. That’s just the nature of it. Not just the nature of the league but the team, and the manager as well. It’s easy to forget he’s in his first job and is still learning and working things out. He has to be allowed to make mistakes as well.

Bottom line is, this team is just as capable of winning the next 5 or 6 as they are losing them. And before anyone chimes in with no they aren’t, etc, we’ve already done it once this season. Carrick has a history of turning around runs of poor form. Personally I think he will do it again.
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Nah, this place periodically goes into meltdown after a bad defeat, or a bad run of results.

This season was always going to be really tough, given the amount of talent we lost in the summer and the fact that so many young players were signed, who would all need a period to settle and grow, to varying degrees.

Throw into that a horrendous run of injuries and the current situation is very predictable.

Some off the stuff I'm reading this morning is just silly, even allowing for the disappointment of yesterday's result.

I still think the overall trajectory of the club is very much a positive one.
 
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