The inventor of mRNA vaccine technology....

[Jostler]

No, very grateful for the MMR. Cannot fathom how you drew your conclusion based on my post

It wasn’t aimed at you artie! I agree with your pints!

edit points!

 

[A]

So would you doubt the opinions of the inventor of mRNA vaccine technology ? Seiously, just look at his reaction to that FOIA data on lipids (at 2:16:00 or so) and tell me you don't believe him.

I would question the subjective opinion of an individual who was part of a team of other virologists and epidemiologists whose opinions differ greatly

 

[A]

It wasn’t aimed at you artie! I agree with your pints!

edit points!

Apologies jostler, I must have misinterpreted your post and replied to the wrong one!

 

[Jostler]

Apologies jostler, I must have misinterpreted your post!

NP I replied to smog, not you so not sure if that’s showing up differently on you mob/laptop

 

[A]

NP I replied to smog, not you so not sure if that’s showing up differently on you mob/laptop

It's operator error on my side, apologies

 

[smogontherhine]

I would question the subjective opinion of an individual who was part of a team of other virologists and epidemiologists whose opinions differ greatly

Fair enough, can you critique the data then ?

 

[fella]

No, very grateful for the MMR. Cannot fathom how you drew your conclusion based on my post

Jostler wasn't replying to you. Pretty sure you two folks are on the same side.

 

[A]

not in a short space of time on a message board, but since public health, specifically covid response, has been my work for several months, I'm confident in the data I see that forms my opinion. I'd be happy to share that with you when I'm legally permitted to

 

[A]

Jostler wasn't replying to you. Pretty sure you two folks are on the same side.

I know, as mentioned above, I mixed posts up and misread/replied to the wrong post

Edit: there's some posts missing for me so the sequence of the thread is a bit wrong. I don't have anyone on ignore, certainly not jostler. My error though, nobody else's

 

[FabioPorkpie]

FFS Bret Weinstein??

You should probably have a listen to this @smogontherhine.

I’ve not watched your video but the fact it is by Bret Weinstein rings massive, massive alarm bells.
He has a track record of selectively portraying information to suit his agenda and sucking people in.
Steve Kirsch. Big antivax.
These people are not the good honest guys just trying to help out the little guys, that you think they are.

SIO291: Bret Weinstein Spreads Dangerous Anti-vax Nonsense

Joe Rogan said healthy, young people shouldn't get the COVID vaccine. This is dangerous and anti-science and incorrect. Though Rogan apologized, Heather Heying and Bret Weinstein took to their YouTube channel to double down on Rogan's claims and do further damage to the cause of science and the...

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[smogontherhine]

FFS Bret Weinstein??

You should probably have a listen to this @smogontherhine.

I’ve not watched your video but the fact it is by Bret Weinstein rings massive, massive alarm bells.
He has a track record of selectively portraying information to suit his agenda and sucking people in.
Steve Kirsch. Big antivax.
These people are not the good honest guys just trying to help out the little guys, that you think they are.

SIO291: Bret Weinstein Spreads Dangerous Anti-vax Nonsense

Joe Rogan said healthy, young people shouldn't get the COVID vaccine. This is dangerous and anti-science and incorrect. Though Rogan apologized, Heather Heying and Bret Weinstein took to their YouTube channel to double down on Rogan's claims and do further damage to the cause of science and the...

play.acast.com

I will have a listen.

But in the now common practice of ad-hominen attacks I'd be right to ask who is Thomas Smith and why should I believe him over an evolutionary biologist and the inventor of the mRNA vaccine.

 

[coluka]

I have listened to all 3 hours and at no point did either of the 3 blokes ever say, and we know on this board how vital the information is, what colour these vaccines are. They clearly can’t be serious epidemiologists.

 

[Jostler]

I have listened to all 3 hours and at no point did either of the 3 blokes ever say, and we know on this board how vital the information is, what colour these vaccines are. They clearly can’t be serious epidemiologists.

It would be good if it was like bottles pf
Aftershock in Frescos, where you could pick a bottle of red or blue!

 

[coluka]

It would be good if it was like bottles pf
Aftershock in Frescos, where you could pick a bottle of red or blue!

They’d have to do a yellow for Scotland to keep wee Jimmy Krankie happy and two shades of green for our Irish brothers and sisters

 

[red_harrington]

I will have a listen.

But in the now common practice of ad-hominen attacks I'd be right to ask who is Thomas Smith and why should I believe him over an evolutionary biologist and the inventor of the mRNA vaccine.

Ever heard of Linus Pauling?

He got the Nobel Prize in chemistry or physics (can't remember which) for his work on quantum mechanics and chemical bonds

Very clever bloke - you'd believe every word he said when it comes to science, right?

After his nobel prize he started work on vitamins, and ended up telling everyone vitamin C was a cure for cancer and the common cold

Duh

Which is why you should always read around a subject and do a bit of research before believing one way or another the words of just one person, no matter how much of an expert they appear to be

 

[Jonny_Rondos_Disco_pants]

It’s no different to the Kary Mullis PCR nonsense. People (mainly deniers) completely getting the wrong end of the stick and not believing we currently use qPCR testing which is so far more advanced.

 

[boringblock_21]

.... has a lot of interesting things to say about it.

If you have 3 hours and an open mind you might want to watch this, make of it what you will, if you think they're misinformed nutjobs, that's your perogative ....

If you haven't got 3 hours just listen to what they say about where the lipids end up at 2:16 or so and what the US FDA are worried about.

I watched from 2hr16, the section about bio distribution of lipid nanoparticle components after vaccination.

To summarize what I saw - COVID vaccines use a variety of lipids to help deliver mRNA to cells. The video shows data compiled from Pfizer examines the concentration of lipids in animals up to 48 hours after they receive a COVID vaccination. The data shows that the concentration of these lipids increases significantly in many tissues, including the bone marrow and ovaries, after vaccination. It is incredibly important to understand that these data come from experiments conducted in rats and mice, and the animals received up to 500x the weight matched dose that humans receive. Despite this, no toxicity was observed. You can read the findings for yourself of course, because none of this was really kept a secret. The European medicines association published this (https://www.ema.europa.eu/en/docume...omirnaty-epar-public-assessment-report_en.pdf) back in February.

 

[bear66]

I watched from 2hr16, the section about bio distribution of lipid nanoparticle components after vaccination.

To summarize what I saw - COVID vaccines use a variety of lipids to help deliver mRNA to cells. The video shows data compiled from Pfizer examines the concentration of lipids in animals up to 48 hours after they receive a COVID vaccination. The data shows that the concentration of these lipids increases significantly in many tissues, including the bone marrow and ovaries, after vaccination. It is incredibly important to understand that these data come from experiments conducted in rats and mice, and the animals received up to 500x the weight matched dose that humans receive. Despite this, no toxicity was observed. You can read the findings for yourself of course, because none of this was really kept a secret. The European medicines association published this (https://www.ema.europa.eu/en/docume...omirnaty-epar-public-assessment-report_en.pdf) back in February.

Thanks for taking the time!

 

[FabioPorkpie]

I watched from 2hr16, the section about bio distribution of lipid nanoparticle components after vaccination.

To summarize what I saw - COVID vaccines use a variety of lipids to help deliver mRNA to cells. The video shows data compiled from Pfizer examines the concentration of lipids in animals up to 48 hours after they receive a COVID vaccination. The data shows that the concentration of these lipids increases significantly in many tissues, including the bone marrow and ovaries, after vaccination. It is incredibly important to understand that these data come from experiments conducted in rats and mice, and the animals received up to 500x the weight matched dose that humans receive. Despite this, no toxicity was observed. You can read the findings for yourself of course, because none of this was really kept a secret. The European medicines association published this (https://www.ema.europa.eu/en/docume...omirnaty-epar-public-assessment-report_en.pdf) back in February.

Excellent post which, in a nutshell, shows how these con artists operate, misrepresenting available data to paint an untrue picture to push an agenda. They rely on the fact a tiny minority will actually follow up research. Most will see their video and take it as read, and then forward it on.
Meanwhile Brett Weinstein gets attention and followers and subscribers to his channel. And money. Con artists feed of conspiracy, because conspiracy breeds attention breeds clicks breeds income.

 

[smogontherhine]

Thanks for taking the time!

Thanks for this link, I did read the report that was acquired under FOIA (at least the part that was not in Japanese)... I didn't know it was already out there... Will check your link.

I'm pretty sure we were told repeatedly that the lipids did not migrate from the injection site when clearly they do and we have no data on what the consequences of this are.