Mr Sheppey
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I don’t mind watching it if I ignore all the rubbish around it but the problem is that it is upsetting the teams for County Championship cricket.
You don’t have to watch it? Its obviously not for you. My son loves it, it’s a great day out with his mates.I support the team, where the players come from is not the relevant part, I support Yorkshire and England at cricket, but I can not support a team where MY teams best players are then spread far and wide.
Bringing age into the equation as an excuse is nonsense, would love to see your survey on young people and boundaries btw as the number of people who hang on to Teesside as being their calling over Yorkshire seems quite high. Younger teenagers and 20 somethings I know through family, friendships and neighbours all seem to affiliate with the area they are from. I can understand culture and heritage playing its part rather than birthright on occasion and thats totally understandable.
The actual team names and format has nothing to do with traditional county borders anyway other than people will be encouraged to support the team that actually plays locally. There are only 8 venues of which 2 are in the same city, so when I say locally, there are great swathes of cricket supporters that wont be able to attend due to distance of travel, transport issues, time issues, financial constraints, work and family commitments. Fine if you live close by but for the many its a non starter. The tv coverage is gimmicky, It just comes across as an ‘Americanised‘, tacky, spectacle that is about as much fun as I expect walking on hot coals is.
Can you imagine watching Dael Fry, Hayden Hackney et al playing for Boro one minute then on a different day playing for Yorkshire and Humberside Hawks at Elland Rd alongside Luke Ayling, Aaron Connolly, Harry Cornick and Tim Krul, with the players miked up, chatting with Jobie McAnuff mid game the home colours being a snazzy Turquoise, Pink and Navy ensemble and wanting to travel to see it. Tweak the rules so there is no offside, throw ins can be drop kicks, the keeper can handle the ball wherever on the pitch or you can elect to play fly goalie etc. Nah, not for me.
I don’t have to watch it? You’ll be telling me there is an off button nextYou don’t have to watch it? Its obviously not for you. My son loves it, it’s a great day out with his mates.
The rules haven’t been tweaked that much, so I think you’re getting a bit carried away with your vitriol.
Well this was my point. Your first point about football organisation at local level is a good one, but not really the point I was making in terms of how younger folk identify.It isn’t like. Football is almost entirely organised on the same basis. You’ll search in vain for a Cleveland or a Tyne and Wear FA.
The difference is that cricket names its teams after the old counties. And it’s certainly true that’s why it struggles to be relevant when the counties get changed every five minutes where towns largely don’t keep disappearing and reappearing. Try telling some kid in Tower Hamlets they’re from Middlesex when the place hasn’t even existed for 50 years and St John’s Wood is about as far removed from their London as it is possible to be.
Well this was my point. Your first point about football organisation at local level is a good one, but not really the point I was making in terms of how younger folk identify.
Bairstow, Root, Brooks etc are not Yorkshire's anymore. They're England's, contractually, and when England aren't playing they are eligible to play for and make money from a pool of other sides around the world, Yorkshire being their primary but not exclusively. Another difference between football and cricket, and hence why your final paragraph may make sense to some people, but plenty of people don't really see the parallel.I support the team, where the players come from is not the relevant part, I support Yorkshire and England at cricket, but I can not support a team where MY teams best players are then spread far and wide.
Bringing age into the equation as an excuse is nonsense, would love to see your survey on young people and boundaries btw as the number of people who hang on to Teesside as being their calling over Yorkshire seems quite high. Younger teenagers and 20 somethings I know through family, friendships and neighbours all seem to affiliate with the area they are from. I can understand culture and heritage playing its part rather than birthright on occasion and thats totally understandable.
The actual team names and format has nothing to do with traditional county borders anyway other than people will be encouraged to support the team that actually plays locally. There are only 8 venues of which 2 are in the same city, so when I say locally, there are great swathes of cricket supporters that wont be able to attend due to distance of travel, transport issues, time issues, financial constraints, work and family commitments. Fine if you live close by but for the many its a non starter. The tv coverage is gimmicky, It just comes across as an ‘Americanised‘, tacky, spectacle that is about as much fun as I expect walking on hot coals is.
Can you imagine watching Dael Fry, Hayden Hackney et al playing for Boro one minute then on a different day playing for Yorkshire and Humberside Hawks at Elland Rd alongside Luke Ayling, Aaron Connolly, Harry Cornick and Tim Krul, with the players miked up, chatting with Jobie McAnuff mid game the home colours being a snazzy Turquoise, Pink and Navy ensemble and wanting to travel to see it. Tweak the rules so there is no offside, throw ins can be drop kicks, the keeper can handle the ball wherever on the pitch or you can elect to play fly goalie etc. Nah, not for me.
There was a huge backlash even before the names were devised. This is not just about the NE! The NE is also far from a cricketing hot-bed. Along with Merseyside, its one of the few areas of the country where one sport absolutely dominates the public conscious (and its not cricket). Most other places have a big interest in either cricket, rugby league or rugby union.Your point doesn't really work though when you're saying that 18 teams is too many in T20, if they don't identify with counties, they're not going to identify with fabricated franchises either.
Young people on Teesside might not identify with Yorkshire as much anymore, but they absolutely don't identify with Leeds.
The reason there was a backlash wasn't just because of county purists, it was because 8.5m people, from the North East and Yorkshire, most with absolutely no connection to the city, were being represented by a team called Leeds Superchargers.
Northern Superchargers is an improvement, but it's one that was only made because of the stink that was kicked up, and showed the lack of thought that the organisers had put in to it.
You might not like this response but nobody is going to watch that on telly. That's the difference.So is going to Yorkshire games. Yesterday at York it was a fantastic game to watch. Loads of kids there and thoroughly enjoying it.
I understand that viewpoint but people also said that in early 70s about one-day cricket, and again in early 2000s about T20. The Hundred is just the next bad boy on the block.ADHD cricket. I can’t stand it. It’s so far away from real cricket it’s basically a different, bereft of class sport
You are exactly what it was created for. And that is why England test stars are in the sides.Never watched cricket apart from The Ashes and World cups. Decided to give this a go a few weeks ago and I'm hooked. Absolutely loving it.
There's an off buttonI don’t have to watch it? You’ll be telling me there is an off button next
Guess what? I don’t watch it. My response was merely a reply to Atypical, if thats ok?
Good luck to anyone who enjoys it, maybe if there is something someone doesn’t like they should always remain silent rather than express opinion?
You don’t need to read ‘my so called vitriol’ either, but you did and felt it worthy of brusque comment, thats your prerogative I wont criticise you for it though.
And they were right back then. Cricket is a genteel, thoughtful sport played out over days. One day cricket is ok as a loosener for players who want to play in their Jim jams before playing in flannels. The rest is just “sports entertainment” as serious as wrestling or F1I understand that viewpoint but people also said that in early 70s about one-day cricket, and again in early 2000s about T20. The Hundred is just the next bad boy on the block.
You're probably right. But the Hundred was created to keep the counties afloat financially, preserve red ball cricket and preserve the Test format and the Ashes etc. It wasn't created to destroy anything, quite the opposite. The T20 Blast simply wasn't making enough money, viewing figures have always been mediocre, Sky pay way more to show this.And they were right back then. Cricket is a genteel, thoughtful sport played out over days. One day cricket is ok as a loosener for players who want to play in their Jim jams before playing in flannels. The rest is just “sports entertainment” as serious as wrestling or F1