The God Delusion.

The first thing I did when seeing the title of this thread is Google the dog delusion.

It exists.
 
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It's a book that tries to explain through the laws of nature that there is no need for religion nor a moral argument for it.

Dawkins does struggle to explain why the human race evolved to create a god. Our evolutionary drive is to survive and he struggles to explain why we as a species created religion.
 
Laughing said:
It's a book that tries to explain through the laws of nature that there is no need for religion nor a moral argument for it.

Dawkins does struggle to explain why the human race evolved to create a god. Our evolutionary drive is to survive and he struggles to explain why we as a species created religion.
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Not really. There’s a whole chapter dedicated to it.
 

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Laughing said:
It's a book that tries to explain through the laws of nature that there is no need for religion nor a moral argument for it.

Dawkins does struggle to explain why the human race evolved to create a god. Our evolutionary drive is to survive and he struggles to explain why we as a species created religion.
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That's because we used to live in tribes.
Probably explains why stag do and hen party's are so popular.
Thing is only the strongest 15 % of males mated with all of the females, according to dna evidence pre roman times.
And tribes were difficult to control.
Introducing civilisation and the idea of every man marrying one wife controlled by religion was desirable. Pay your tax on Sunday at church. Non attendance not allowed.
Does that help ?
 
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king_hellfire said:
Not really. There’s a whole chapter dedicated to it.
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It kinda is. There is a single chapter devoted entirely to religion, but it also has a chapter called the junkyard jumbo jet, or something like that. He argues that people believe in intelligent design because if a whirlwind blows through a junk yard, it aint going to build a jumbo jet out of the parts. Therefore there has to be a creator.

It's an argument against there being a god, as the entire book is, or at least the idea that if there is a god, he isn't required.

Did he also write the blind watchmaker, it's much more complex than the god delusion, but not aure if dawkins wrote it
 
Borothruandthru said:
That's because we used to live in tribes.
Probably explains why stag do and hen party's are so popular.
Thing is only the strongest 15 % of males mated with all of the females, according to dna evidence pre roman times.
Thing is tribes we're difficult to control.
Introducing civilisation and the idea of every man marrying one wife controlled by religion was desirable. Pay your tax on Sunday at church. Non attendance not allowed.
Does that help ?
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Not really. I recall that dawkins argues much what you have said above, minus the control and taxes. Even he doesn't believe that argument. The tax part of your argument has nothing to do with evolution but with power and control.

I will postface this by saying it was about 10 years ago when I read the book.
 
Well the roman empire definitely controlled people using religion. Previously the Egyptians had successfuly built the pyramids using the horus deity, fathered by god, mother the virgin Isis.
In fact the bible stories are mostly copied from the Egyptian book of the dead from 10000 years earlier.
 
Borothruandthru said:
Well the roman empire definitely controlled people using religion. Previously the Egyptians had successfuly built the pyramids using the horus deity, fathered by god, mother the virgin Isis.
In fact the bible stories are mostly copied from the Egyptian book of the dead from 10000 years earlier.
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This is true, but religion has existed since man was able to wonder at the heavens. religion pre-dates romans by tens of thousands of years. Stonehenge?
 
Stonehenge was tribal. People hoping that the sun would come up next day.
Hoping the dead ancestors would have a good journey to the afterlife.
Gods probably existed round every corner.
Nobody was selling life after death at that time tho.
 
Borothruandthru said:
Stonehenge was tribal. People hoping that the sun would come up next day.
Hoping the dead ancestors would have a good journey to the afterlife.
Gods probably existed round every corner.
Nobody was selling life after death at that time tho.
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There is strong archeological evidence that stonehenge was a burial and religious site. Whilst we don't know there is strong evidence that religion of one sort or another has been practiced for about 200 thousand years. Essentially we came along and invented religion pretty quickly.
 
Oh yes people had Gods before the Romans arrived, lots of them.
They sacrificed animals and sometimes humans in order to keep them happy. So the crops would be good.
Think we need to draw a distinction from this superstitious behaviour and Organised religion which came with the roman empire.
 
Laughing said:
There is strong archeological evidence that stonehenge was a burial and religious site. Whilst we don't know there is strong evidence that religion of one sort or another has been practiced for about 200 thousand years. Essentially we came along and invented religion pretty quickly.
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I prefer the bicameral mind theory of Julian Jaynes;

The theory posits that the human mind once operated in a state in which cognitive functions were divided between one part of the brain which appears to be "speaking", and a second part which listens and obeys—a bicameral mind, and that the breakdown of this division gave rise to consciousness in humans. He argued human ancestors as late as the Ancient Greeks did not consider emotions and desires as stemming from their own minds but as the consequences of actions of gods external to themselves.
 
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