The Exam Situation

Primus84 said:
Wow you consider me too emotionally involved to look at it objectively eh?

I don't grant your assertion one bit, and I do not agree that using teacher assessed grades would be incorrect.

What exactly are your qualifications to be able to state the above and consider your opinion to be not only informed but above that of someone who has worked within the sector for over 15 years?
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It’s my opinion, it’s also the opinion of ofqual - I dare say they have a fair bit of experience. Don’t take it as a personal affront to yourself it’s just my opinion, you have yours that’s fine.
 
FatCat said:
It’s my opinion, it’s also the opinion of ofqual - I dare say they have a fair bit of experience. Don’t take it as a personal affront to yourself it’s just my opinion, you have yours that’s fine.
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The same Ofqual that have been criticised by the Royal Statistical Society?

You're aware Ofqual is a part of the Government and subject to extreme political coercion yes?
 
FatCat said:
It’s my opinion, it’s also the opinion of ofqual - I dare say they have a fair bit of experience. Don’t take it as a personal affront to yourself it’s just my opinion, you have yours that’s fine.
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I think this is the problem with the world right now - to say everyone's opinion is equal sounds great and fair but it's simply not true, as said there are informed opinions and uninformed opinions.
 
Primus84 said:
I think this is the problem with the world right now - to say everyone's opinion is equal sounds great and fair but it's simply not true, as said there are informed opinions and uninformed opinions.
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is ofquals informed?
 
Primus84 said:
Ofqual's opinion is politically coerced.
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They are backing it up with stats - what’s so exceptional about this year of students - never in the history of a levels has there been such a year on year increase in top grades ( from 27per cent to 40 per cent) it’s never happened and wouldn’t have happened if the exams were sat - so tell me again why we should go with teachers predictions?
 
FatCat said:
They are backing it up with stats - what’s so exceptional about this year of students - never in the history of a levels has there been such a year on year increase in top grades ( from 27per cent to 40 per cent) it’s never happened and wouldn’t have happened if the exams were sat - so tell me again why we should go with teachers predictions?
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How do you know it wouldn't have happened? There's simply no proof because there's no assessment data and every cohort is unique.

In addition the numerous examples on this thread show you that the alterations have overwhelmingly disproportionately affected working class students with private schools seeing few if any grade alterations. The RSS say Ofqual's stats are wrong - do you really trust this Government's stats?

I seriously hope you don't have children in school given your complete lack of faith in the teaching profession.
 
Primus84 said:
How do you know it wouldn't have happened? There's simply no proof because there's no assessment data and every cohort is unique.

I can’t say for certain that it wouldn’t have happened but you have to admit it’s unlikely - ,such an increase has NEVER happened before. It goes against the trend and would stand out like a sore thumb if you were to plot it on a graph.
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So you would rather rely on an algorithm that clearly discriminates against working class and poorer students?

To what extent do you believe teacher predictions to be inaccurate? 5% out? 10% out? Be clear about what you are accusing the profession of please.
 
Primus84 said:
So you would rather rely on an algorithm that clearly discriminates against working class and poorer students?
It’s not either or I’ve repeatedly said it’s a mess - I just don’t agree that teachers grades should be used.

To what extent do you believe teacher predictions to be inaccurate? 5% out? 10% out? Be clear about what you are accusing the profession of please.
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Look at the figures quoted they are obviously out by about 13 per cent of you look at previous years for the top grades.
 
Primus84 said:
How do you know it wouldn't have happened? There's simply no proof because there's no assessment data and every cohort is unique.

In addition the numerous examples on this thread show you that the alterations have overwhelmingly disproportionately affected working class students with private schools seeing few if any grade alterations. The RSS say Ofqual's stats are wrong - do you really trust this Government's stats?

I seriously hope you don't have children in school given your complete lack of faith in the teaching profession.
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balance of probability tells you it wouldn’t have happened in terms of the jump

it probably needed to be done by school to school

what do pupils usually do vs mock exams and then go from there. Still unfair as you are judging pupils on the colleges past performance
 
GazC_MFC said:
balance of probability tells you it wouldn’t have happened in terms of the jump

it probably needed to be done by school to school

what do pupils usually do vs mock exams and then go from there. Still unfair as you are judging pupils on the colleges past performance
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The problem is without any assessment data you simply do not know what the results would have been.

Governments of every stripe have been interfering in results for so long now to ensure their agenda can be said to have been delivered that the results are very manipulated in the first place.

You also have to recognise that it was a government led by Conservatives that got rid of the AS Level that each student would have done in every subject and removed modular assessment and with it most of the coursework placing us in this situation where we have no formal assessment data to go off.
 
Primus84 said:
The problem is without any assessment data you simply do not know what the results would have been.

Governments of every stripe have been interfering in results for so long now to ensure their agenda can be said to have been delivered that the results are very manipulated in the first place.

You also have to recognise that it was a government led by Conservatives that got rid of the AS Level that each student would have done in every subject and removed modular assessment and with it most of the coursework placing us in this situation where we have no formal assessment data to go off.
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I think the whole thing is a disgrace. I was just picking up on the point that probability tells you that a* wouldn’t have had such a big jump.

the fact that disadvantaged pupils go further down the pecking order is the government all over. The worst government of my adult life (turned 18 in 2002)
 
Headmaster today on BBC saying in normal Circumstances they appeal around 1% of their results.
This year - 50%

Andy Burnham believes Ofqual are in breach of equalities act as the algorithm discriminated against those inner city schools and people on lower incomes. Considering legal action.

The reality - 260000 kids affected - emotionally for a very long time.

This year, of all years, the risK to cutting them some slack and going with teacher assessments was what exactly?
 
and bear in mind this is just the A levels, wait til next week, they really don’t do themselves any favours and leave a catalogue of disaster in their wake.
 
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