Jedi boro
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I honestly think will have to given the magnitude and severity of the issues and lack of any firm contrition at all, or else they will be a paper tiger.
The elephant in the room - Man City ffp
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VestasBoro
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Not a chance in this world will they be relegated. No chance.
They may start next season on -10 or something, and they'll still win the league.
They may be given a transfer ban for a few windows.
They may be fined HEAVILY, which if it goes on their accounts will set them back a few years but yeah they've got world class players and could easily cope with the squad they've got now for 2-3 seasons and comfortably compete in all competitions.
No point deduction this season and no relegation, no chance.
They may start next season on -10 or something, and they'll still win the league.
They may be given a transfer ban for a few windows.
They may be fined HEAVILY, which if it goes on their accounts will set them back a few years but yeah they've got world class players and could easily cope with the squad they've got now for 2-3 seasons and comfortably compete in all competitions.
No point deduction this season and no relegation, no chance.
Marvanelli
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They won't have any of their titles stripped because it would affect the PL image and the PL are as bent as all the other football governing bodies - UEFA/FIFA etc.
I wouldn't be shocked if they got found Not Guilty to be honest.
But if they did get found Guilty, then they will probably receive a hefty fine (which will be a drop in the ocean to them in the grand scheme of things) and a future penalty/points deduction meaning they'll be out the title race for that season.
The PL will want to keep Man City in their league though, especially whilst Pep and the likes of KDB/Haaland are there because they bring in the numbers. and Man City are currently a fantastic look for the PL.
I wouldn't be shocked if they got found Not Guilty to be honest.
But if they did get found Guilty, then they will probably receive a hefty fine (which will be a drop in the ocean to them in the grand scheme of things) and a future penalty/points deduction meaning they'll be out the title race for that season.
The PL will want to keep Man City in their league though, especially whilst Pep and the likes of KDB/Haaland are there because they bring in the numbers. and Man City are currently a fantastic look for the PL.
h_m_boro
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Punishment, IMO, will be a heavy fine (no deterrent to the owners) and a couple of transfer window embargoes (with their squad absolutely stacked, no problems).
Worst that will happen, they may "struggle" to finish top 2 and have a couple of players kept at the club a little longer than planned.
This isn't necessarily about Man City per se, but about how the football authorities have lost control of the game completely. It's like a mirror on society - governments are controlled by the media/multi national businesses; football is controlled by a few dozen owners (and countries.....).
Are we too far down the rabbit hole? Probably.
Worst that will happen, they may "struggle" to finish top 2 and have a couple of players kept at the club a little longer than planned.
This isn't necessarily about Man City per se, but about how the football authorities have lost control of the game completely. It's like a mirror on society - governments are controlled by the media/multi national businesses; football is controlled by a few dozen owners (and countries.....).
Are we too far down the rabbit hole? Probably.
I can see the punishment being large enough in terms of points deduction to be significantly more than Everton got, it has to be, but not enough to relegate them. Plus a big fine. They can probably get away with a 50 points deduction and it is essentially the same as a 10 points deduction to them. I.e. not winning the title and a year without the champions league (unless they qualify by winning it again) is their punishment. They'll be back in the champions league the following year and back to the top of the league. Looks big but very temporary and definitely worth them breaching rules for a decade to get to the top.
Only major issue I see for them is Pep maybe deciding it is enough if they aren't in the CL.
Only major issue I see for them is Pep maybe deciding it is enough if they aren't in the CL.
Jan_Aage_Fjortoft
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People thinking about punishments and saying the PL won't want this to happen etc - in theory at least - the judgement will be decided by an independent tribunal without influence of the PL.
But as UEFA found, Man City have the money for the best lawyers so it wouldn't surprise me if they can get a lot of the charges dismissed on technicalities. The rules will have to be airtight.
But as UEFA found, Man City have the money for the best lawyers so it wouldn't surprise me if they can get a lot of the charges dismissed on technicalities. The rules will have to be airtight.
atypical_boro
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I do keep reading this but how expensive are the absolute best lawyers money can buy? Can't most PL clubs afford them? Even Everton and Forest? Or is there another tier of super-lawyers that are just simply out of the reach of anyone who doesn't qualify for the CL every year and win it occasionally?
Jan_Aage_Fjortoft
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Not sure about Everton. Man City have the money to be paying these lawyers for years and years if need be. But really what it means to me is that they will have all the resources that they can get to frustrate and delay any proceedings if the people setting the rules took their eye off the ball. And it won't matter if they lose in a financial sense. The other clubs might think we can't afford to pay these top lawyers for a substantial period of time, lose the case and then get a financial penalty on top which will impact their operations in the future. Cost of fighting the action vs the consequences. Money is irrelevent to Man City. Not always the case for the other clubs.
It was basically Man City's threat to UEFA.
Man City's threats to UEFA revealed in leaked documents
Manchester City threatened to destroy UEFA with legal action when European soccer's governing body pursued punishment against the Abu Dhabi-owned club for overspending on players and hiding costs.
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atypical_boro
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Fair enough, I'd have just thought even Everton could afford the same standard of lawyer.
Jan_Aage_Fjortoft
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With their financial problems / ownership issues at the moment? Not sure they could risk it.
theredrooster
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I think they'll get some sort of punishment but financial only and also some sort of transfer embargo to make it look like they are being tough but in reality it will have limited impact. I agree with others who say the authorities won't dare rewrite the history books and will leave them with their titles.
Then we just need FFP changing to the less catchy, but far more realistic title of KYFPP (Know Your F*cking Place Peasants), or better still the whole charade abolishing and replacing with something that's actually fit for purpose, independent regulation for starters.
Then we just need FFP changing to the less catchy, but far more realistic title of KYFPP (Know Your F*cking Place Peasants), or better still the whole charade abolishing and replacing with something that's actually fit for purpose, independent regulation for starters.
As soon as you start allowing countries to own football clubs then the government starts showing an interest. They won't be too keen on the Premier League upsetting Abu Dhabi, nor Saudi Arabia, so I'm sure this will be a factor when (or if) City are eventually 'punished'.
Fat_Dragon
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Everton have just one charge against them where they have accumulated more than 105 million pounds of debt over a 3 year period which they have admitted. Man City have 115 different charges against them so much more complicated. As far as I’m aware City have not admitted their guilt so this will involve a long drawn out legal process.
1finny
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I'm not so sure - this is huge.
Inevitably there will be some tooing and froing and it's easy to conclude this will not be decided until sometime late 2025, 2026. By then the football landscape could be a whole lot different (we have lots of powerful owners who aren't happy with not being allowed to spend what they want when they want).
Assuming we have the status quo in England I'm reminded of Pep's comment (maybe unguarded) 'if we get relegated to division 1, I will stay and we will be back.
Wonder why he chose that instead of Championship - they will be planning for something.
atypical_boro
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Yep, doesn't sound like they're guilty at all does it?Not sure about Everton. Man City have the money to be paying these lawyers for years and years if need be. But really what it means to me is that they will have all the resources that they can get to frustrate and delay any proceedings if the people setting the rules took their eye off the ball. And it won't matter if they lose in a financial sense. The other clubs might think we can't afford to pay these top lawyers for a substantial period of time, lose the case and then get a financial penalty on top which will impact their operations in the future. Cost of fighting the action vs the consequences. Money is irrelevent to Man City. Not always the case for the other clubs.
It was basically Man City's threat to UEFA.
Man City's threats to UEFA revealed in leaked documents
Manchester City threatened to destroy UEFA with legal action when European soccer's governing body pursued punishment against the Abu Dhabi-owned club for overspending on players and hiding costs.
atypical_boro
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Maybe just setting a limit. "If its League Two though, I'm off to Girona."
MickaelDebevePhenomenal
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I'm guessing, Huge fine (irrelevant) 10pts deduction (7pts suspended) transfer ban for two windows and the hearing to happen pre season so that it doesn't impact this season and they can make up the points deficit the following one
FishofContemplation
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Also and more straightforwardly because it is not available as a punishment.
I’m not sure it really matters what the PL want this stage. The PL is effectively the prosecutor. It has brought the charges. The trial and sentence is down to the appointed commission and any appeal one (which there surely will be). If the PL needed to be certain to keep Man City in their league it needed to contrive a way not to charge them.
That said, I don’t think they will be relegated anyway, but that’s because the charges relate to fiddles that are so arcane that I think they will struggle to prove they were even against the rules. This was the problem the EFL had with Derby County if you remember. The EFL never actually won any of its arguments, except to the extent that on one issue, Derby were asked to redo their accounts. They then caved because Mel Morris had run out of money.
MolteniArcore
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I agree - deffo a transfer ban for a couple of windows.