The Boro and Bill Shankly

American_Mary

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I've posted this on the Clough/Charlton thread but think it's a story worthy of a thread of it's own, I was doing a bit of research for another article and thought it was worth writing, might post up some more unpublished stuff if there's much of an interest ?

Bill Shankly and Middlesbrough:

In 1952 when David Jack resigned as Manager of Middlesbrough to look after his ill wife, Bill Shankly, was on the back of an excellent first season as manager of Grimsby, transforming their system of play, the training regime and the whole ethos within the club, 'pound for pound the best footballing team produced since the war' he was very much viewed as the next big thing and Middlesbrough duly approached, Shankly booked into a hotel in Ripon and met Harry French, the then Boro Chairman, excited at the opportunity of taking charge of a club who had finished 6th in the 1st Division only 2 seasons earlier, at the time the North East was seen very much as a hotbed of football and the move suited the fiercely ambitious Shankly.

After been shown around Ayresome Park, Shankly and French shook hands on a deal and Shankly went straight back to Cleethorpes, not even stopping overnight in Ripon, and told his wife, Ness, to get ready to move as they were off to Middlesbrough and waited for the phone call and contract offer that had been promised to make everything official.

At the time Grimsby's chairman, Arthur Drewery, was Head of the FA selection Committee and President of the Football League, and the Boro Chairman had designs on a position on that Committee, when he phoned Drewery to make official the approach for Shankly, he was told that would be fine but that it might hinder any chance he would have of furthering his ambitions within the FA, French, didn't take the approach any further and we appointed Walter Rowley.

"Missing that job was a terrible disappointment, because I was bubbling with ideas and Middlesbrough had a fantastic ground and a lot of good players, before the war they had one of the best footballing teams in Britain. Ayresome Park represented potential, just as Liverpool did" Bill Shankly from his autobiography.

As a post script in 1974 when Shankly left Liverpool he implored the Liverpool board to appoint Jack Charlton as his replacement and was surprised and disappointed when they decided not to approach Charlton and promote Paisley from within, for the sake of harmony, for once, Shankly bit his tongue and went along with the official line that Paisley was always his first choice of successor but in private he remained a very keen advocate of Charlton.
 
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the man was a legend, another thing that sticks with Shankly is him tipping us as a dark horse to win the old division one championship in the 74/75 with around 6 games to go mental to think we actually had a chance of winning it then
 
I've posted this the Clough/Charlton thread but think it's a story worthy of a thread of it's own.

Bill Shankly and Middlesbrough:

In 1952 when David Jack resigned as Manager of Middlesbrough to look after his ill wife, Bill Shankly, was on the back of an excellent first season as manager of Grimsby, transforming their system of play, the training regime and the whole ethos within the club, 'pound for pound the best footballing team produced since the war' he was very much viewed as the next big thing and Middlesbrough duly approached, Shankly booked into a hotel in Ripon and met Harry French, the then Boro Chairman, excited at the opportunity of taking charge of a club who had finished 6th in the 1st Division only 2 seasons earlier, at the time the North East was seen very much as a hotbed of football and the move suited the fiercely ambitious Shankly.

After been shown around Ayresome Park, Shankly and French shook hands on a deal and Shankly went straight back to Cleethorpes, not even stopping overnight in Ripon, and told his wife, Ness, to get ready to move as they were off to Middlesbrough and waited for the phone call and contract offer that had been promised to make everything official.

At the time Grimsby's chairman, Arthur Drewery, was Head of the FA selection Committee and President of the Football League, and the Boro Chairman had designs on a position on that Committee, when he phoned Drewery to make official the approach for Shankly, he was told that would be fine but that it might hinder any chance he would have of furthering his ambitions within the FA, French, didn't take the approach any further and we appointed Walter Rowley.

"Missing that job was a terrible disappointment, because I was bubbling with ideas and Middlesbrough had a fantastic ground and a lot of good players, before the war they had one one of the best footballing teams in Britain. Ayresome Park represented potential, just as Liverpool did" Bill Shankly from his autobiography.

As a post script in 1974 when Shankly left Liverpool he implored the Liverpool board to appoint Jack Charlton as his replacement and was surprised and disappointed when they decided not to approach Charlton and promote Paisley from within, for the sake of harmony, for once Shankly bit his tongue and went along with the official line that Paisley was always jis choice of successor but in private he remained a very keen advocate of Charlton.
Thanks @American_Mary, that waz a great read, I was aware we had approached BS & interviewed him but nit the rest of your post

Loved the rest of it, if only hey

Always enjoy reading your posts A_M, one, if not, the most popular poster on here, whatever topic you post on its always informative & polite
 
Really interesting read that. Thanks for posting.

A real sliding doors moment in our clubs history. Could have had a massive impact on the long term history of the club if he had stayed with us a while and built a legacy like he did at Liverpool.

To think it was someone in a position of power putting their own interests first. Some things never change!!!
 
Thanks @American_Mary, that waz a great read, I was aware we had approached BS & interviewed him but nit the rest of your post

Loved the rest of it, if only hey

Always enjoy reading your posts A_M, one, if not, the most popular poster on here, whatever topic you post on its always informative & polite
You're far too kind, Erimus, but I appreciate the kind words especially from the poster who is really the most respected, popular and polite on here.
 
Towards the end of the 74/75 season with 4 games to go, Bill Shankly believed we were going to win the title.


watch from around 9 minutes, it shows him tipping us.
Class that, loved the 70's

Cloughy starts it off, tge best ever football mannager with his unique interviews & bay city rollers leading the song in to March, if only we were consistent in the final runin
 
I've posted this the Clough/Charlton thread but think it's a story worthy of a thread of it's own.

Bill Shankly and Middlesbrough:

In 1952 when David Jack resigned as Manager of Middlesbrough to look after his ill wife, Bill Shankly, was on the back of an excellent first season as manager of Grimsby, transforming their system of play, the training regime and the whole ethos within the club, 'pound for pound the best footballing team produced since the war' he was very much viewed as the next big thing and Middlesbrough duly approached, Shankly booked into a hotel in Ripon and met Harry French, the then Boro Chairman, excited at the opportunity of taking charge of a club who had finished 6th in the 1st Division only 2 seasons earlier, at the time the North East was seen very much as a hotbed of football and the move suited the fiercely ambitious Shankly.

After been shown around Ayresome Park, Shankly and French shook hands on a deal and Shankly went straight back to Cleethorpes, not even stopping overnight in Ripon, and told his wife, Ness, to get ready to move as they were off to Middlesbrough and waited for the phone call and contract offer that had been promised to make everything official.

At the time Grimsby's chairman, Arthur Drewery, was Head of the FA selection Committee and President of the Football League, and the Boro Chairman had designs on a position on that Committee, when he phoned Drewery to make official the approach for Shankly, he was told that would be fine but that it might hinder any chance he would have of furthering his ambitions within the FA, French, didn't take the approach any further and we appointed Walter Rowley.

"Missing that job was a terrible disappointment, because I was bubbling with ideas and Middlesbrough had a fantastic ground and a lot of good players, before the war they had one of the best footballing teams in Britain. Ayresome Park represented potential, just as Liverpool did" Bill Shankly from his autobiography.

As a post script in 1974 when Shankly left Liverpool he implored the Liverpool board to appoint Jack Charlton as his replacement and was surprised and disappointed when they decided not to approach Charlton and promote Paisley from within, for the sake of harmony, for once, Shankly bit his tongue and went along with the official line that Paisley was always his first choice of successor but in private he remained a very keen advocate of Charlton.
Thanks for posting that.
I had absolutely no idea about that.
 
Did mr french actually even further his career with the FA aftee turning shankly down?
 
Did mr french actually even further his career with the FA aftee turning shankly down?
Yes, he became an England Selector and was criticised by Clough, along with Boro's trainer and Winterbottom's right hand man, Harold Shepherdson, for not pushing for Clough's inclusion hard enough in the England squad, in those days an International squad only contained 15 outfield players and 2 goalkeepers and it was believed that having your club chairman on the committee would be beneficial to your chances, however, Clough reckoned that French, being aware of the issues that Clough was having at the Boro at the time, used his position to block his inclusion in the England squad as a punishment.

I think, in part, this contributed towards Clough's animosity and prickly relationship with his boyhood club thereafter.
 
That is a really interesting account, American_Mary. If things had gone differently, we might have been playing Real Madrid on Saturday!
 
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