Telegraph article on Brexit outcomes....

It’s a really unusual one for the Telegraph. Actually pulls very few punches. It’s as if the journalist has gone rogue and completely off-message, but that can’t be the case as it must have been approved. They are up to something..
 
FabioPorkpie said:
It’s a really unusual one for the Telegraph. Actually pulls very few punches. It’s as if the journalist has gone rogue and completely off-message, but that can’t be the case as it must have been approved. They are up to something..
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That's what I thought, seems very 'off message' from the usual mainstream right-wing media agenda.
 
Yeah, surprisingly honest appraisal of Brexit and the Uk and its bleak economic outlook.

It really is a basket case unless Starmer is incredibly brave and willing to move radically closer to the EU within a year or so to create some kind of growth and use it in the next general election in 2029 otherwise labour will get booted out by the ‘not so bright’ English electorate (the majority) for not fixing the unfixable !
 
The fundimentals have been wrong in the UK for over 130 years - stuff like Brexit is a symptom not a cause of the UK's problems.

The country is dominated by a Public School class - out of Eton and Oxford that can talk well but do little.

They haven't encouraged the UK to remain the workshop of the World that it could have been, why are Google, Facebook, Microsoft, Apple, Amazon etc based in the USA and not the UK?
 
Phew, everything looks to be back to normalcy...........

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I've said it for a while and whilst it might seem incredibly unlikely (and probably is), one of the easiest ways for the Tories to outflank Labour at present would be to promise to rejoin (or at least take steps towards it).
 
changingman said:
I've said it for a while and whilst it might seem incredibly unlikely (and probably is), one of the easiest ways for the Tories to outflank Labour at present would be to promise to rejoin (or at least take steps towards it).
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Too many RWNJs who wanted Brexit at any cost.
 
changingman said:
I've said it for a while and whilst it might seem incredibly unlikely (and probably is), one of the easiest ways for the Tories to outflank Labour at present would be to promise to rejoin (or at least take steps towards it).
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I think it's almost certain that the government that takes us back in, in some form, will be a Conservative one.

Warner is quite a serious Tory, more in the mould of Grieve than your ideologue idiots like Truss.

The Singapore on Thames is always an interesting concept, as firstly it shows how London business-centric that group of Tories are, but you do wonder how they square that with 80% public housing.
 
changingman said:
I've said it for a while and whilst it might seem incredibly unlikely (and probably is), one of the easiest ways for the Tories to outflank Labour at present would be to promise to rejoin (or at least take steps towards it).
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I doubt that would do much, if the Tories were standing on the platform of rejoining, then Labour would go back to it too.

Labour only shifted away from it because a sizeable chunk of the electorate held Getting Brexit Done as the be all and end all and hammered them in the polls for trying to prevent it.

There would be no risk of that if every major party was in favour of rejoining.
 
Redwurzel said:
They haven't encouraged the UK to remain the workshop of the World that it could have been, why are Google, Facebook, Microsoft, Apple, Amazon etc based in the USA and not the UK?
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- The US domestic market for tech companies is huge compared to the UK
- Computer science teaching is way, way, way more advanced than the UK
- Business teaching is much more advanced than the UK, which is late to that party
- It's much easier to raise capital in the US
- There's a far more cooperative approach to business issues than in the UK
- Getting an office and starting a business is so much easier than the UK
- Personal and business taxes are lower
- Britain has always been quite good at inventing things and ideas, but the US is really good at turning ideas into money by making stuff
 
changingman said:
I've said it for a while and whilst it might seem incredibly unlikely (and probably is), one of the easiest ways for the Tories to outflank Labour at present would be to promise to rejoin (or at least take steps towards it).
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Tufton St would not wear that.
 
Soutra said:
- The US domestic market for tech companies is huge compared to the UK
- Computer science teaching is way, way, way more advanced than the UK
- Business teaching is much more advanced than the UK, which is late to that party
- It's much easier to raise capital in the US
- There's a far more cooperative approach to business issues than in the UK
- Getting an office and starting a business is so much easier than the UK
- Personal and business taxes are lower
- Britain has always been quite good at inventing things and ideas, but the US is really good at turning ideas into money by making stuff
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Yes - I would not disagree, except the first point possibly - some may argue our domestic market was the EU and EEC - 1973-2016 or it should have been which is just as big as the USA.

The main issue is why do all the differences exist - In 1870 Britain was technically and business wise well ahead of the USA. I would say we have to look deeper.
 
Redwurzel said:
Yes - I would not disagree, except the first point possibly - some may argue our domestic market was the EU and EEC - 1973-2016 or it should have been which is just as big as the USA.

The main issue is why do all the differences exist - In 1870 Britain was technically and business wise well ahead of the USA. I would say we have to look deeper.
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Meritocracy versus the class system
 
speckyget said:
Tufton St would not wear that.
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Agree wholeheartedly and it will certainly engender a "point of no return" in terms of splitting the party.

That said, some of the savvier non-RWNJ element may see that split coming sooner rather than later (and Reform look well placed to pick up the pieces) so they're probably already considering policies to be actually electable again, rather than appealing to the 1%
 
changingman said:
Agree wholeheartedly and it will certainly engender a "point of no return" in terms of splitting the party.

That said, some of the savvier non-RWNJ element may see that split coming sooner rather than later (and Reform look well placed to pick up the pieces) so they're probably already considering policies to be actually electable again, rather than appealing to the 1%
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Well, there's a whisper out there that Hunt is considering non dom taxation in the budget. That would cut Starmer off at the knees.
 
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