Sunak threatens to take away rights of doctors to write sick notes

Decisions transferred from Qualified Professionals to unqualified pen pushers to "police" the sick and long term ill.
Sounds like the Stasi or the Gestapo
Why are we letting these "politicians" do this to us?
Every day It's something else: another attack on pensionable age, on the sick, on the disabled, on ordinary people, on the standard of ordinary life, on the homeless, kids on school meals........
People came back home from war and austerity, promised "a land fit for heroes" and now we have nothing but the ruins and skeletons of what previous generations built and were once proud of.
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It's another desperate attempt to plug the reform leak. Firstly he doesn't have time to get this through parliament so it's a soundbite and one he hopefully includes in the tory manifesto. It's a vote loser.
 
To be honest some doctors are very quick to sign you off from personal experience.

I broke my arm and obviously couldn’t drive to the office but was quite happy to work from home. I spoke to the consultant and asked for a fit note and was told I had to speak to the GP. I filled in all the forms and spoke to the GP telling him exactly what I needed and why before receiving a full sick note in the post a week later 🤦‍♂️

After another two phone calls I was told he couldn’t do that (even though the government website and the NHS website says he could) at which point I agreed with my boss that I was going to just ignore the sick note and work from home regardless 🤷‍♂️
 
Acklam_Lad said:
To be honest some doctors are very quick to sign you off from personal experience.

I broke my arm and obviously couldn’t drive to the office but was quite happy to work from home. I spoke to the consultant and asked for a fit note and was told I had to speak to the GP. I filled in all the forms and spoke to the GP telling him exactly what I needed and why before receiving a full sick note in the post a week later 🤦‍♂️

After another two phone calls I was told he couldn’t do that (even though the government website and the NHS website says he could) at which point I agreed with my boss that I was going to just ignore the sick note and work from home regardless 🤷‍♂️
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Fit notes and sick notes are the same thing now. Was this some time ago I'm guessing?

But yeah, I've worked in DWP and seen some of the medical certificates that come in. "Low mood" was a frequent diagnosis, which I always took as code for "I don't think this person is clinically depressed but it's not worth the chew me telling them that".

You're talking about such small numbers of claimants taking the **** though. I'd argue the country has far more pressing problems.
 
Merrykoala said:
It's being debated on GMB now, some "businessman" who looks like a bad rod Stewart impersonator saying how sick notes are "bad for business" is about to argue with a qualified doctor, should be fun
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I haven't even Pimlico watched this Plumbers but living in Spain can't imagine who they've brought in to comment.
 
festa5 said:
Fit notes and sick notes are the same thing now. Was this some time ago I'm guessing?

But yeah, I've worked in DWP and seen some of the medical certificates that come in. "Low mood" was a frequent diagnosis, which I always took as code for "I don't think this person is clinically depressed but it's not worth the chew me telling them that".

You're talking about such small numbers of claimants taking the **** though. I'd argue the country has far more pressing problems.
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Was September mate. my Mrs works in HR and even she said it was b***ks and the fit note should be issued... especially since I was asking for it (instead of a sick note)

as for the country having far more pressing problems... I agree, this is a headline grabber and nothing else
 
Acklam_Lad said:
Was September mate. my Mrs works in HR and even she said it was b***ks and the fit note should be issued... especially since I was asking for it (instead of a sick note)

as for the country having far more pressing problems... I agree, this is a headline grabber and nothing else
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I also work in HR and I can tell you they're the same thing!

www.gov.uk

Taking sick leave

Fit notes (formerly sick notes), holiday during sick leave, returning to work, long-term sick, dismissals
www.gov.uk www.gov.uk


You didn't need one anyway if your employer was fine with you working from home.

I'd sack her and get a proper HR person in 😜
 
If this comes in to law, though I doubt it’s really intended too.
There would be almost countless appeals. Did he say what group/individual will be responsible for the appeal process.
Notice he didn’t mention the £23 billion that is not claimed by people who are entitled to these.
BENEFITS, not f’n “welfare” a word that will be flogged to death from now on.
I’ll stop now before I get sent to the naughty step.
 
It's just an attempt by Sunak to create yet another wedge issue between the tories and labour. When this one fails he will then pivot to attacking disabled children and puppies.
 
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