Subbing keepers mid game

"I didn't have the courage to do it. But I'm able to take a winger, or a striker, or a central defender or to drop to a five and hold that result," Arteta said.

Why? Why not? [change the keeper]. We have all the qualities in another goalkeeper to do something when something is happening and you want to change momentum. Do it. Now my feeling is to get everybody engaged in the team. They have to play, regardless of the competition. We have to do it."

 
Makes sense if they are completely different. If they are up against teams defending deep Raya is the better option as hes like an extra outfield player. If they are under the cosh in the CL or aganst Man City or Liverpool the better shot stopping of Ramsdale could be more useful.

Look at Man Utd with O'Nana and De Gea, O Nana is certainly better with his feet but unless a shot is straight at him he doesnt save anything. Its almost Bettinelli esk. Useful playing a sheff utd or luton with ten men behind the ball, but their defense isnt good enough to protect him against most of the league. Theyd of probably been better off keeping De Gea.
 
Nah, think it's nonsense. I get the impression Arteta has a very high opinion if himself and he's trying to prove he's a genius like his mate Pep.

They should all be able to do the basics of goalkeeping well but the better ones can do other things well like playing the ball out from the back. Any top level keeper should be capable of making saves. If he thinks Raya is better than Ramsdale at it he should just have the courage to tell Ramsdale that he is no longer first choice. You take other players off because someone else can offer something but mainly it's because they aren't tired. Keepers don't have the same issue with having to run around a lot so they aren't tired/

The only thing where it might be applicable is for a penalty shootout because some keepers are just better than others at them.
 
I can understand picking different goalkeepers for different games against the type and style of a particular opposition to some degree (horses for courses etc), but not mid game, unless someone is having an absolute Bettinelli or is injured that is.
 
A very interesting idea. A top class goalie is usually someone who can go 87 minutes doing the most perfunctory tasks before making a vital save. Not generally seen at our level where more defensive errors and lapses of concentration lead to more action in the box over the game.

But let's say you've got two keepers who can, for an hour, stay completely switched on, read the game well for when they're called upon to play it out (as everyone does these days) and distribute well before fatigue kicks in. In that situation, it avoids late errors and could be a very good decision.

And yes some people will question how you can be tired in a possession based team where you're not in action every two minutes, but just think about how mentally switched on you are after a really long drive in bad weather. Sat on your backside for five hours but you can feel exhausted.
 
Priv said:
Makes sense if they are completely different. If they are up against teams defending deep Raya is the better option as hes like an extra outfield player. If they are under the cosh in the CL or aganst Man City or Liverpool the better shot stopping of Ramsdale could be more useful.

Look at Man Utd with O'Nana and De Gea, O Nana is certainly better with his feet but unless a shot is straight at him he doesnt save anything. Its almost Bettinelli esk. Useful playing a sheff utd or luton with ten men behind the ball, but their defense isnt good enough to protect him against most of the league. Theyd of probably been better off keeping De Gea.
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Didn't realise Man Utd's new keeper was Irish ;)
 
If you're a big team aiming for 70% possession, you want to start the game with a Steffen/Dieng type who can act as a ball-playing pivot. If you go 1-0 up and the opposition start pressuring you, then the option to sub that keeper off and replace them with a 6'8" brick ****house who dominates the area and hoofs each goal kick into orbit might be a smart move.

No different really from having an attacking left back and a defensive left back, starting the game with one and then subbing for the other as the game develops.

The use of subs is still one area where football is in the dark ages.
 
Nano said:
Nah, think it's nonsense. I get the impression Arteta has a very high opinion if himself and he's trying to prove he's a genius like his mate Pep.
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It does feel like that doesn’t it as if he’s trying to re invent the game
 
Jedi boro said:
No that’s the game football has one keeper it’s not basketball with rolling subs.

What’s dark ages about that.
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If a player gets subbed before 60 minutes they must have been really poor. If they get subbed in the first half it's catastrophic. If they get subbed after themselves coming on as a sub, it's as good as transfer-listing them.

All of that is just clichéd nonsense though. Managers should be bold enough to change things tactically whenever they need to without any of those hangups

The other thing that fits with the "dark ages" is the way they just sit on the bench looking gormless all game. I'd have them in a room together, watching the match on big screens, with members of the coaching staff giving instant analysis so they can identify the opposition's strengths and weaknesses and be ready to take advantage as soon as they come on the pitch. Ideally the room would be big enough to warm up properly too, with a ball at their feet instead of just stretching in front of the fans.

So many missed opportunities with the way subs are handled.
 
I think there is benefits to it. If one is better at possession and the other is better at shot stopping would make sense to swap the over as a tactical change, I’d you have to change your tactics

Gk role has become more important therefore subbing the keeper is next evolution if that position
 
Sorry , I read this as sobbing keepers .. , and I was thinking how many do you need to let in before you are a blubbering mess before half time and need to be subbed on compassionate grounds
 
It’s not like they can try any harder to have a good game is it? Their job is reactive. A lazy winger can run around a bit more and sort his positioning out but wouldn’t want your keepers trying too hard to impress the manager.

Confidence and calmness also seems very important. Not sure I’d want to be messing with my keeper’s heads like that and adding uncertainty into the mix.

On one hand I get it if you’ve got one little Pickford who stops shots and one giant who grabs crosses. But again, if the game changes, you can’t sub the new keeper off and bring the ball playing one back on. Think Arteta is over-thinking this.
 
If this becomes a regular feature of the game, sooner or later a sub keeper will get injured, and the manager will look a fool.

So do you have 2 keepers in the bench for this eventuality?
 
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