Stop Posting the Conspiracy Rubbish

bear66 said:
Even Tegnell has backed down from his position regarding the hoped for Swedish immunity.

Tegnell played down hopes that Sweden’s severe spring outbreak of the virus might offer sizable protection through widespread immunity, saying the number of undetected infections had likely been lower than previously believed.

To be fair, the Swedish people didn't play ball and locked themselves down more stringently than the formal UK lockdown.
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Tegnell hasn't backed down from anything he's never said anything about heard immunity and has always maintained its about long term management, your paragraph doesn't even relate to what you're saying. The Swedish people haven't done anything like lock themselves down more stringently than the UKs formal lockdown.
There are plenty of videos about life in Sweden and Stockholm, you're just flat out lying here.
 
Alvez_48 said:
Tegnell hasn't backed down from anything he's never said anything about heard immunity and has always maintained its about long term management, your paragraph doesn't even relate to what you're saying. The Swedish people haven't done anything like lock themselves down more stringently than the UKs formal lockdown.
There are plenty of videos about life in Sweden and Stockholm, you're just flat out lying here.
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Just reporting on what he said.

My paragraph doesn't relate to what I'm saying? He's backed down.

"The number of people we don't find with diagnostics is with high probability smaller than we thought," he said.

By the way, many Swedish virologists have been warning about his policies since the beginning so his use of the words "we" is disingenuous.

I have relatives living in Sweden and I trust they are not lying.
 
bear66 said:
Just reporting on what he said.

My paragraph doesn't relate to what I'm saying? He's backed down.

"The number of people we don't find with diagnostics is with high probability smaller than we thought," he said.

By the way, many Swedish virologists have been warning about his policies since the beginning so his use of the words "we" is disingenuous.

I have relatives living in Sweden and I trust they are not lying.
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That isn't what your first post said in regards to the quote and its taken out of context. What does it really mean? What factor?

And your relatives aren't the general public of Sweden bear, there are tonnes of videos from Sweden, life is and always has been far more normal than our lockdowns.

Sweden:-
https://twitter.com/x/status/1315697055331950592

Sweden:-
https://mobile.twitter.com/RobinDah...-concern-after-nightclubs-reopen-in-stockholm

Sweden:-
https://mobile.twitter.com/SvitlanaNosul/status/1316015847865901056
 
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Alvez_48 said:
That isn't what your first post said in regards to the quote and its taken out of context. What does it really mean? What factor?

And your relatives aren't the general public of Sweden bear, there are tonnes of videos from Sweden, life is and always has been far more normal than our lockdowns.
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Typical UK during lockdown.
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bear66 said:
Exactly and I know that isn't the "UK".
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So we can agree that Sweden has never locked down harder than the UK voluntarily or by state edict by any stretch of the imagination. Cool glad we managed to get to some consensus. 👍🏻
 
GazC_MFC said:
what I’ve read about the evidence of T cells is that you first have an antibody response and from that anti body response T cells are created to emulate the antibodies.

that backed up with the SARS where people had tcells 17 years later

Mia there a ways to easily test the tcell rather than antibody? Or both?
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I’ve been banging the T-cell testing drum for a while now but looks like we may nearly be there -

https://www.evaluate.com/vantage/ar...ults/first-data-hint-t-cell-immunity-covid-19

Also, some interesting points made in this article -

“All 20 infections occurred in people who were also seronegative; that is, they did not have detectable levels of antibodies against the coronavirus.”

“The researchers wrote that seronegative people with reactive T cells had could have had their cells primed by the virus that causes the common cold.”........

“ The researchers said that the protective association of high T-Spot SNM results in the seronegative population raised the question of whether seropositivity might appear protective in part because high antibody levels are associated with high coronavirus-responsive T-cell numbers.”

Obviously more research needed but as time goes by and our understanding of this virus increases, more evidence emerges that goes some way to lending credibility to SOME of the thoughts of those that would have at one time been dismissed as conspiracy theory.

I still think that T-cells are the key to establishing the actual numbers who have been exposed and that the antibody test alone only tells a small portion of the story. (Although I see the government have been well and truly found out trying to hide data regarding false positives in the antibody test that they bought.Hmmmmmmm. That said, that would lead to a reduced number having been confirmed exposed via antibody testing, than was thought 😂. Still, the cover up is very interesting...)

Sooner a T cell test is available, the better.
 
People banging the Sweden drum on here again, yet Sweden's PM doesn't share the same optimism for their system as those on here, maybe those on here know more than he does? :rolleyes:

"The trends are quickly going in the wrong direction," Swedish Prime Minister Stefan Lofven wrote on Facebook earlier this week. "More are infected. More are dying. This is a serious situation."

Stefan Lofven said that “we are facing a (COVID-19) situation that risks becoming pitch-black” and added that Sweden “currently is risking a situation like the one we had last spring.”

“All indications point in the wrong direction,” Lofven said at a joint news conference with Social Affairs Minister Lena Hallengren.

In Sweden they're not "carrying on as normal" either, they've been "advised" to social distance, wash hands, avoid public transport, no booze sales after 10pm, asked to work from home, no large gatherings, limited numbers in restaurants, low numbers seated together etc, it seems quite similar to our Tier 1. This will probably help, but doesn't seem to be enough.

Sweden: 7 day average cases, 4,200 cases per day, and rising fast (5,700 on the 11th and 3 day average is 5,000)
Keep in mind they only have 10m people, and that 10m are a lot more considerate than those in the UK too, so what doesn't work for them, has zero chance here.

Norway, Finland, Denmark: 7 day average, 1,950 in total, and have 50% more people than Sweden

Below is positive test results, per day, from Sweden's own site (they often adjust figures higher retrospectively too, that 11th spike to 5,700 only got added today), doesn't look good for them.
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Alvez_48 said:
Those banging the drums about how terrible Sweden are and how we mustn't follow them:-

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There have been 142 deaths reported this week. Those are graphed by date of death so we won't know how many died yesterday for up to a week. There was an article I read today about why it always looks as if things are getting better (when they aren't) here

An example below showing deaths reported on 29 Oct and how that figure had changed by 12 November.
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bear66 said:
There have been 142 deaths reported this week. Those are graphed by date of death so we won't know how many died yesterday for up to a week. There was an article I read today about why it always looks as if things are getting better (when they aren't) here

An example below showing deaths reported on 29 Oct and how that figure had changed by 12 November.
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Fair but my graph is scaled put 30 days... The point being when you scale it out further...IMG_20201113_192038.jpg


It's not really doomsday... You know this though, you only ever acknowledge Sweden when they're doing 'badly'.

Here's Sweden's all cause mortality compared for the past 10 years:-

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Run rate goes to approximately 90,000 - 93,000 when you consider that 2019 was particularly 'good' aswell I'd say it's fair to say covid has not had much impact on Sweden this year.
 
bear66 said:
There have been 142 deaths reported this week. Those are graphed by date of death so we won't know how many died yesterday for up to a week. There was an article I read today about why it always looks as if things are getting better (when they aren't) here

An example below showing deaths reported on 29 Oct and how that figure had changed by 12 November.
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Yeah, they've been doing it for months, I don't think they hide it, but it confuses some people into thinking they're permanently recovering.
 
Sweden's 15 deaths average from about 10 days ago is possibly up to date, but those probably caught he virus about a month ago. Since then their cases have quadrupled, and still going up, rapidly.

1605297265267.pnghttps://www.ft.com/content/1e0ac31d-5abf-4a18-ab3e-eec9744a4d31

Why should we follow Sweden, not Norway, Finland or Denmark?

Do any Sweden backers think their PM is wrong, or misinformed?
Do you think our people behave as well as Swedes and are as responsible?
What about Tegnell's "no second wave"?
 
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