Stoke city

Redwurzel said:
In some ways if the top 7 clubs broke away (Arsenal, Chelsea, Spurs, Man United, Man City, Liverpool and Newcastle) into a Euro Super League that would leave a top division of only 13 Domestic Clubs and other clubs that could attract 30k crowds would be needed to fill it.

This new English Premier league would not be as rich and it would be more even.
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Brighton to walk the revised Prem and Chelsea to finish rock bottom of the breakaway if that happens. Something I wouldn't overly mind.👍
 
Borokian1876 said:
Yeah I think your right. If you look at our historical support it’s remarkable I love the fact we will never have a forum patting ourselves on the back, or clapping the gate like the mackems and Geordies do but we do have brilliant support. Both clubs are on a decline. I think our rivalry with Sunderland is a lot more intense then stoke and wba. We are often compared to them too but I think without sounding arrogant them two don’t have the fanbase we have we have a bigger floating fanbase probably wolves and Birmingham woukd be a better comparison for us. We have seen how clubs can get stuck in rots MFC go through spells of bottling promotion and then being mediocre for a few seasons it seems the real doom and gloom years are sadly back on the tees, let’s hope we kick on and Scott redeems himself in January
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What they also have is a proximity to Cheshire, where many other footballers live and footballers like to live. The Stoke City players can hang around in the same places as the City, United and Liverpool players who live round there which is an attractive thing to many footballers.

My mate is renting his house out as he's moved to the US for a few years, Tim Krull came to look at it and had verbally agreed to take it, until he found out that most of his team mates lived in Harpenden rather than a village near Hitchin and so he pulled out. I couldn't think of many worse things than living near my colleagues, but some professions obviously value it more than others.
 
I would imagine the Coates family (Bet365) are putting in a lot of their private wealth into Stoke City. They usuallly out bid us for players and always seem to spend more on players then they receive.
 
Mate is a Stoke fan and was genuinely excited/expectant for this season.

They finished last season strongly and appear to have recruited well but it's not clicked (so far). There are some similarities with Sunderland I think - high turnover of managers, and subsequently, players. It does feel incredibly difficult to make it work with loads of fresh recruits in through the door each season (I think we're feeling the effect of this too this season).
 
What are people basing the belief that Stoke have recruited well this summer on? From what I can tell it’s mainly a number of little-known players from mainland Europe and a trio of Championship players, one of whom was on loan last season.

Surely it’s too early judge their activity?
 
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Borokian1876 said:
A similar club to us in a similar decline ( probably worse ) makes you wonder will clubs like us and them ever establish ourselves again? With our current ownership model I really can’t see it, if we ever do go up without sounding negative will it be at best more than 2 seasons? The gaps getting bigger Burnley last season made the league look silly but look like they’ll likely go down, will the financial gap between the premier league only get worse won’t it?
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Of course we can and will at somepoint.

If clubs like Bounremouth, Brentford, Brighton, Palace and Fulham can establish themselves in the prem, then so can we........we just need to be making better strategic decisions than we have over the last decade.
 
BoroMart said:
Of course we can and will at somepoint.

If clubs like Bounremouth, Brentford, Brighton, Palace and Fulham can establish themselves in the prem, then so can we........we just need to be making better strategic decisions than we have over the last decade.
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I do agree with the sentiment, but worth noting the step change backing that Brighton and Fulham have in terms of owner wealth.
Fulham's owner has injected £381m equity into a club he already owned since 2017. They have lost £331m over that period as shown on 2022 Balance Sheet.
Brighton have lost £84m since promotion in 2017, but are massively recovering their position through profit on player sales. They still owe Bloom's Group £336m at June 2022, though it is all loans (no equity injection) as per Gibson's £142m here.
Aston Villa is another club where equity has poured in from owner to cover massive losses - as happened too at Everton.

We absolutely could get into the PL, we could survive, but it would be very very difficult under Gibson given his resources.
 
Stoke were the best team to visit us last year, other than Brighton and Burnley. They outplayed us when we were right in the middle of our best form. It just goes to show how much having a large turnover of players affects a team.
 
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