Stewart Downing on Karanka fall-out

atypical_boro

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I finally listened to the Two Sharp Reds podcast. He said he didn't fall out with him any more than anyone else, and that there was a player who confronted him in the reception at Rockliffe, as he was about to give everyone a dressing down about how they'd p****d him off.

Do we know which player? Downing wouldn't say.
 

BoroMart

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Is that the same Schwarzer who tried to get more out of the cub every close season.
that's not strictly true, he wanted a good bump in wages at one point as part of contract extensions, considering his stats had him in the top 3 in the league then he could hardly be blamed.

I don't get the hate for the guys, he's arguably the best keeper we ever had, stayed with us through our most successful decade and won a trophy with us. He should be heralded as a club legend and is by me.
 

WeeGord

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Randolph was a good keeper. Crossley was a more than able deputy for Schwarzer too, and thought Marlon Beresford was reasonable enough.
 

BoroMart

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I've always viewed Schwarzer as a legend.... but I'm only early 30s, so Pears was a bit before my time and the rest haven't been up to much since haha
Pears was a legend too, but he was nowhere near Schwarzers level. Pears in the top flight was very poor. Schwarzer did it for us for 9 seasons then about another 6 with Fulham all in the top flight. He has comfortably the most prem games by a none british born player
 

asredastheycome

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that's not strictly true, he wanted a good bump in wages at one point as part of contract extensions, considering his stats had him in the top 3 in the league then he could hardly be blamed.

I don't get the hate for the guys, he's arguably the best keeper we ever had, stayed with us through our most successful decade and won a trophy with us. He should be heralded as a club legend and is by me.
I don't hate Schwarzer. Decent keeper, poor a shots close to him due to his leg length but that's all. In the 50 plus years I have been going I wouldn't say he was the best. Pears deffo better and maybe Platt. Certainly Given but he wasn't here long enough.
I would love someone as good as Schwarzer now.
 

BoroMart

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I don't hate Schwarzer. Decent keeper, poor a shots close to him due to his leg length but that's all. In the 50 plus years I have been going I wouldn't say he was the best. Pears deffo better and maybe Platt. Certainly Given but he wasn't here long enough.
I would love someone as good as Schwarzer now.
Pears no chance, he was terrible in the top flight, he didn't make obvious ricks, but anyone who has coached GKs knows he was very poor in the top flight. He was repeatedly outjumped from crosses, beaten by shots purely on pace not direction, beaten repeatedly from outside the box. It's worth watching the 88-89 season highlights and just focusing on him and his repeated minor mistakes and you will see it. Great shot stopper a level below though

Given, don't be silly, he was ok, but living off his past. Had an absolute stinker away to Bolton and nearly through the game twice.
 

nowthen

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Pears no chance, he was terrible in the top flight, he didn't make obvious ricks, but anyone who has coached GKs knows he was very poor in the top flight. He was repeatedly outjumped from crosses, beaten by shots purely on pace not direction, beaten repeatedly from outside the box. It's worth watching the 88-89 season highlights and just focusing on him and his repeated minor mistakes and you will see it. Great shot stopper a level below though

Given, don't be silly, he was ok, but living off his past. Had an absolute stinker away to Bolton and nearly through the game twice.
I remember a Derby corner going straight in from the taker at Ayresome Park. Wasn’t the best setting up a free-kick wall. The back pass rule did for him as well.
 

BoroMart

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I remember a Derby corner going straight in from the taker at Ayresome Park. Wasn’t the best setting up a free-kick wall. The back pass rule did for him as well.
yeah, and Portsmouth did us/him from a corner as well, although I think Ripley was partly to blame on the near post.

He seemed really slow at decision making that season. It showed the difference between second and first tier.
 

Boro_Legend

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Vzzzbx

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Disappointed Dimi never got a game in the premiership. How Guzan played in front of him I’ll never know.

I Would imagine that we signed Guzan to be number 1 with Dimi as backup, then when we discovered that a player with the pedigree of Valdes was not only available but willing to come to Boro then everyone slipped down a position.

I do feel sorry for the stick that Guzan gets from our fans as i don't think he was that bad. He arguably had a better record than Valdes for us playing a lot of his games after Valdes had gone AWOL and he was playing in a team that was already resigned to going down.

I would have loved to have seem Dimi get his chance in the premier league though. To join the club as a third choice keeper signed to help out in training and then to end up being our first choice keeper in a promotion winning team is a hell of a story.
 
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