BaronSmoggie
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Hope so, but I suspect he'll end up like Feinstein. Wheeled out to show he's still there while his sycophants run the show behind the scenes.
Starmer v Trump
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Craggsy2
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Who are these experts, any links?
I hope that is true. I am not going to pretend I know anything about the US legal system processes, but he's got quite the edge over the supreme court doesn't he if it comes to it doesn't he ?
Craggsy2
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I’m still waiting, the links?
Juninhoburger
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Not really, it's in the SCOTUS's best interest to rule against Trump, as he can and will replace them if he gets into power.
swordtrombonefish
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If his recent slurring, dragging his leg and even stranger than last time ramblings are anything to go by, he may have a condition that will worsen quite quickly
Trump is 5/6 to be President, Biden is 15/8.
Republicans are 4/5, Dems are 11/10.
Trump is 1/33 to be Republican candidate.
That points to trump almost definitely getting the nomination and then probably beating Biden.
Trump won't win votes from Dems but he doesn't have to. That's not how the two party system works. If Trump can get the Republican votes, and why wouldn't he because a Republicans want to get back in and get the Dems out. All he needs is for the Dems not to turn out for Biden and he's hardly inspiring. Biden's relying on people voting to keep Trump out because he's not really offering a reason to vote for him.
There have been plenty of elections in the past that have had surprise results. I don't think Trump winning would be a huge shock. It would be massively disappointing but it wouldn't shock me.
Republicans are 4/5, Dems are 11/10.
Trump is 1/33 to be Republican candidate.
That points to trump almost definitely getting the nomination and then probably beating Biden.
Trump won't win votes from Dems but he doesn't have to. That's not how the two party system works. If Trump can get the Republican votes, and why wouldn't he because a Republicans want to get back in and get the Dems out. All he needs is for the Dems not to turn out for Biden and he's hardly inspiring. Biden's relying on people voting to keep Trump out because he's not really offering a reason to vote for him.
There have been plenty of elections in the past that have had surprise results. I don't think Trump winning would be a huge shock. It would be massively disappointing but it wouldn't shock me.
Muttley
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Trump is show very obvious signs of mental decline. He is unlikely to be capable of a TV debate. Just watch him.
Even Fox News are correcting any lies he tells in speeches and are cutting away from him when it happens. They can't afford not to after the cases they lost.
He is spending all his campaign funds on legal costs. He has no big or corporate donors they won't touch him.
The Biden campaign has over $100million warchest that they haven't even touched yet. A few attack ads but nothing yet.
It looks at the moment like he will get the Republican nomination but the problem the GOP has is that the MAGA cult will vote for Trump even if he is not on the ticket. So at the moment it would be impossible for an other candidate to even give Biden a run.
It's not impossible that Trump wins just very very unlikely
Even Fox News are correcting any lies he tells in speeches and are cutting away from him when it happens. They can't afford not to after the cases they lost.
He is spending all his campaign funds on legal costs. He has no big or corporate donors they won't touch him.
The Biden campaign has over $100million warchest that they haven't even touched yet. A few attack ads but nothing yet.
It looks at the moment like he will get the Republican nomination but the problem the GOP has is that the MAGA cult will vote for Trump even if he is not on the ticket. So at the moment it would be impossible for an other candidate to even give Biden a run.
It's not impossible that Trump wins just very very unlikely
newyddion
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Got quite a few American friends that think he will win the republican nomination.. sounds like although he is unpopular and creates a stink.. folks thing overall he was actually quite good for the country. Bit of a mad one really.. Biden getting in of the fact he wasn’t Trump.. and Trump maybe getting back in because Biden is a bit meh.. and folks maybe considering holding their noses for the Trump circus.
Maybe a bit of BoatyMcBoatface about to go down or the wild support for Wagner on X-Factor
Maybe a bit of BoatyMcBoatface about to go down or the wild support for Wagner on X-Factor
Juninhoburger
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Robert Reich is probably the best expert commentator on Trump
Of course Trump is dominating the primaries. That doesn’t mean he’ll beat Biden | Robert Reich
Why is the media making such a big deal of this? Trump will be the nominee, but the general election is a different matter
www.theguardian.com
He has articles going back months explaining why Trump is unlikely to be the next US President.
Heather Cox Richardson is another one, here's her Substack:
Letters from an American | Heather Cox Richardson | Substack
A newsletter about the history behind today's politics. Click to read Letters from an American, by Heather Cox Richardson, a Substack publication with millions of subscribers.
heathercoxrichardson.substack.com
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Juninhoburger
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Exactly this. Even in the primaries, less people than before are voting for Trump. He's not crushing the opposition like he expected to, even though the likes of Chris Christie, Vivek Ramaswamy and Ron DeSantis have all dropped out, Nikki Haley stubbornly remains and she's siphoning off voters.
Trump's legal woes aren't helping, as you said he's being forced to spend all his campaign funds on legal costs for cases he's already lost or partly lost (E. Jean Carroll defamation case and New York fraud case, respectively) or is likely to lose (Georgia Rico case, Stormy Daniels hush money case.)
The Georgia case is going to be televised. It will probably be the most watched case in US history. You're looking at media coverage akin to the Depp v Heard trial. It's going to be incredibly bad for Trump.
Not sure which reports you've been reading - he's looking overwhelmingly likely to be the Republican nominee at the moment but whether that'll still be the case if he gets convicted in one of the many trials he's facing, remains to be seen. It's also by no means certain that he'd defeat Biden come November.
Again, whether he's been convicted in the meantime (and there's no guarantee of that) will make a big difference, with 45% of Republican voters saying they would no longer vote for him if that's the case, and even more if he actually goes to prison.
52% of Republicans won't vote for Trump if he goes to prison
Apparently, there's no law to stop him governing from prison
All well and good. The problem is Trump is up against probably the only candidate he could beat. Same situation as Hilary. It is remarkable that he will be able to portray Biden as a geriatric and use it to his advantage. The reality is that this is absolutely not a foregone conclusion.
Mayor Goldie Wilson
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I can't begin to imagine the carnage Trump winning would cause. I think the first thing he would try and do is change the constitution so that he can stay beyond the end of his 2nd term. He just assumed he would walk winning at the end of his first term so won't have even considered it. He won't make the same mistake again if he gets back in.
He is desperate to be a dictator, so him winning would completely be the end of America as we know it. I think the closer we get to the election enough people will start to realise this, which will prevent him from winning.
He is desperate to be a dictator, so him winning would completely be the end of America as we know it. I think the closer we get to the election enough people will start to realise this, which will prevent him from winning.
There isn't, but the fact that about half of Republicans said they won't vote for him if he's in prison makes that whole scenario unlikely.
One of the first things he's already promised to do, is to take revenge on those he thinks have wronged him.
In addition to that, Trump and his advisers have already come up with a detailed blueprint of what they plan to do if he wins (see AP article below).
Some of what he intends to do is seriously scary, including firing thousands of government workers (including FBI and DOJ employees) that he considers are not loyal to him and replacing then with people who will do his bidding without question.
Trump’s plans if he returns to the White House include deportation raids, tariffs and mass firings
Jonny Ingbar
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Polls, commentators & journalists.
There's a feeling that the state of the US under Biden, especially the economy, has swung a lot of voters away from him and back to Trump, including a larger portion of the black voters and Hispanic population.
Bidens support of Israel has also damaged his standing with Muslim voters.
I hope it's not enough, I really do.
Juninhoburger
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The economy has actually improved under Biden.
I agree his stance on Israel makes him look weak, however things would be MUCH worse for Palestinians/Muslims in general under Trump.
TeessideCleveland
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The most recent reports I've read/seen were Guardian , Sky News and an ITV documentary
I certainly hope they are wrong, and he doesn't get back in