Stan Collymore on twitter

It’s amusing how some people can effectively say forget about the past of this or that company with dreadful historic links yet the self same people are all over the pulling down of statues to equivalently dreadful individuals of the past. How does that differentiation work?
The point being, the past happened warts and all, that we learn from it and don’t repeat the mistakes of history is what is important. You don’t learn from history by airbrushing certain aspects out, you acknowledge them, contextualise them and use those aspects and individual examples to educate ongoing generations.

expecting pelters from those more educated in the nuances of conscience than I......
 
r00fie1 said:
I havent mentioned boycotts or anything else - those are your assumptions and imagination.

Factoid;
Did you know that Coca - Cola had an embargo placed on their exports to Germany during the second World War, so they circumvented the embargo by creating "Fanta"?! That fizzy stuff we have in our corner shops?


During the Second World War, the US established a trade embargo against Germany—making the export of Coca-Cola syrup difficult.[2] To circumvent this, Max Keith, the head of Coca-Cola Deutschland (Coca-Cola GmbH), decided to create a new product for the German market, using only ingredients available in Germany at the time, including beet sugar, whey, and apple pomace—the "leftovers of leftovers", as Keith later recalled
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Yep I knew that
 
Is there any actual evidence to back the original statement up?

Is the car most of the BAME drive or would like to drive?
 
I just don’t understand how there is any evidence to support this

Id love to drive a Mercedes too
 
Cooper671 said:
I just don’t understand how there is any evidence to support this

Id love to drive a Mercedes too
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That's irrelevant, and as you say a unsubstantiated claim. However plenty of black, white and purple people drive Mercedes and wouldn't want to associated with Farrage and his ilk, and so for them to choose to sponsor his show is a divisive and IMHO stupid move.

My original point stands, debating the history of a company takes away from the point that stands today, that a CMO somewhere has decided that they want to align with Farrage and all the debate about Siemens and Hugo Boss in the world, doesn't change that.
 
El Guapo said:
It’s amusing how some people can effectively say forget about the past of this or that company with dreadful historic links yet the self same people are all over the pulling down of statues to equivalently dreadful individuals of the past. How does that differentiation work?
The point being, the past happened warts and all, that we learn from it and don’t repeat the mistakes of history is what is important. You don’t learn from history by airbrushing certain aspects out, you acknowledge them, contextualise them and use those aspects and individual examples to educate ongoing generations.

expecting pelters from those more educated in the nuances of conscience than I......
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I'm not an expert, or educated on this matter but my take is this:-

1) Statues of a slave trader (or whatever) are erected to celebrate the life of someone whose entire history is down on paper and can't be changed, and so have to be evaluated in the context in which they stand and everything they did in their lifetime.

2) Companies that once, many many CEO's, boards and potentially even owners ago, have a chance to put things right, and whilst not glossing over their history they can make a change, realise the errors of their ways and contribute positively to the world in which they now operate. Some choose to do that, others like it appears Mercedes appear not to have, and continue to stand on the wrong side of the line.

That's my take on it anyway.
 
SmallTown said:
They didn't forget it though. They have a whole page devoted to it in the history of Daimler website. To be wary of mercedes Benz now for something that happened during the war is as silly as being wary of modern day Germans

My point is it would be almost impossible to buy produce if you boycotted anyone with a shady past. Links to slave trades, Nazism, whatever.
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Who mentioned boycott?
 
zzzzz said:
Not sure why the likes of Mercedes and Thyssen Krupp didn't change their name after the war. But they didn't. So how long do we harp on about it for?
Sort of linked and being in the business I found this fascinating at the time. How the past can still catch up on business.

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2015/jan/24/pieter-schelte-worlds-biggest-ship-ss-officer
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How long have "we been harping on about it"?
zzzzz said:
Not sure why the likes of Mercedes and Thyssen Krupp didn't change their name after the war. But they didn't. So how long do we harp on about it for?
Sort of linked and being in the business I found this fascinating at the time. How the past can still catch up on business.

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2015/jan/24/pieter-schelte-worlds-biggest-ship-ss-officer
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How long have we been "harping on about it"? I bet I'm not the only one unaware of these companies murkey pasts.
 
El Guapo said:
It’s amusing how some people can effectively say forget about the past of this or that company with dreadful historic links yet the self same people are all over the pulling down of statues to equivalently dreadful individuals of the past. How does that differentiation work?
The point being, the past happened warts and all, that we learn from it and don’t repeat the mistakes of history is what is important. You don’t learn from history by airbrushing certain aspects out, you acknowledge them, contextualise them and use those aspects and individual examples to educate ongoing generations.

expecting pelters from those more educated in the nuances of conscience than I......
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Ask the Daily Mail. They have been very vocal about maintaining history in our streets but when somebody mentions their overt support for the blackshirts and Oswald Moseley in the 30s they suddenly go very shy. I agree that we don’t airbrush history out but at the same time make sure that message you quite rightly point out gets through. Statues honour individuals but I’m not sure the millions who walk past them daily give any thought to their history.

But good old Stan though. He’s started an interesting debate.
 
Zoophonic said:
Ask the Daily Mail. They have been very vocal about maintaining history in our streets but when somebody mentions their overt support for the blackshirts and Oswald Moseley in the 30s they suddenly go very shy. I agree that we don’t airbrush history out but at the same time make sure that message you quite rightly point out gets through. Statues honour individuals but I’m not sure the millions who walk past them daily give any thought to their history.

But good old Stan though. He’s started an interesting debate.
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Some posters sounding like Trump and his refusal to consider renaming military camps named after slavers from Confederate days
 
When I buy a car I don't look at who the manufacturer sponsors or what the manufacturer was doing many many moons ago.

I buy a car because I like it.

Are we racially profiling people by the car they drive now? 🤦🏻
 
The_Lizards_Jumpers said:
I'm not an expert, or educated on this matter but my take is this:-

1) Statues of a slave trader (or whatever) are erected to celebrate the life of someone whose entire history is down on paper and can't be changed, and so have to be evaluated in the context in which they stand and everything they did in their lifetime.

2) Companies that once, many many CEO's, boards and potentially even owners ago, have a chance to put things right, and whilst not glossing over their history they can make a change, realise the errors of their ways and contribute positively to the world in which they now operate. Some choose to do that, others like it appears Mercedes appear not to have, and continue to stand on the wrong side of the line.

That's my take on it anyway.
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I agree entirely.
Sponsorship or support by a prestigious company like Mercedes for racist Farage gives him credibility and legitimacy to his views - which lead to violence and harrasment on the streets.
 
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