So what/who do we need to start the season?

exeterboro

exeterboro

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I think we have our 3 goalies now ZH, LR and Daniels.
We have added to the 1st team CB's with DL.
In Midfield we have added the Wolves guy as a LWB and even more important kept JH which was a massive moment.
Potentially we have 4 strikers in place JC who if was given a full season last year would have had 10+ goals, this year dependant on games he could get 15+, DW who will do assista but could be around 8-10 with a good patch then if DG comes in it seems like his scoring history at this level could also indicate he would be be 15+ and Goldrick would be hoping to get 5+ with assists. Our strike force is potentially a lot stronger than last season.
Obviously second choice players to come in who don't have clubs and hopefully a few good ones amongst them.
I don't care about the Spence money now, my attitude is anyone but spurs no. Loan him out to Forest again.
I think we are stronger than last season already but it depends on what other clubs have done as well to see if that is playoff grade improvements.
 
I think we need 2 solid striker signings and a few backup/squad players (RWB, DCM, possibly another CB).
 
Ash88 said:
I think we need 2 solid striker signings and a few backup/squad players (RWB, DCM, possibly another CB).
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I see what you want, automatic which is what I want as well, improving our strikers substantially may mean selling Spence or getting lucky in Loans, yes agree on backup players it may be a bit of cherry picking from the list of players without clubs like we did with Taylor last season.
 
Definitely 2 strikers, probably 3.

RWB if Fisher leaves (seems a better WB than RB)

CM

Attacking CM/ No. 10 (or can Payero step up?)

Experienced players who can play multiple positions x 2
 
h_m_boro said:
Definitely 2 strikers, probably 3.
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Don't fancy JC, DG DW and DM, as our 4 strikers then, there is more goals in there than last season + hopefully the team as a whole will concede less at the back. There was at least 3 games I could think off where we would have took something or maximum if it wasn't for the goalie.
 
exeterboro said:
Don't fancy JC, DG DW and DM, as our 4 strikers then, there is more goals in there than last season + hopefully the team as a whole will concede less at the back. There was at least 3 games I could think off where we would have took something or maximum if it wasn't for the goalie.
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We've only got Coburn and Watmore so far, so all rumours aside definitely 2 that could start day one and I'd look for a "gamble" out of League One/Two, a good up and coming youngster......unless Wilder thinks Kavanagh could make the first team squad at some point?
Facts last season, if we didn't miss so many straightforward chances and concede sloppy goals we'd have made the playoffs easily
 
parmoboy said:
In my opinion we need a RWB, LCB, DM, LWB (if Bola leaves) and three ST's. I'd send Coburn out on loan.
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The RWB, will be a backup choice when they try to pick up a bargain. LCB it would be great if Gibson came back, who knows if we sell Spence for near our valuation then it could happen. I differ with Coburn, he will go out and score goals somewhere I rather he stayed with us and scored them, he will be physically stronger than last year and will have developed as a player.
 
I do wonder if he sees Fisher as back up RWB? Been quiet on him lately but he's back in training (I don't by the way, definitely more of a full back than a Wilder WB).

Keepers will be sorted if Steffan joins, centre halves probably need one more.

Could do with another CM in my opinion as well then 2-3 strikers.
 
exeterboro said:
Don't fancy JC, DG DW and DM, as our 4 strikers then, there is more goals in there than last season + hopefully the team as a whole will concede less at the back. There was at least 3 games I could think off where we would have took something or maximum if it wasn't for the goalie.
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I honestly think you are crackers.

Parmoboy is spot on.
We still urgently need 3 strikers - and good ones. (Coburn will go out on loan). McGoldrick should not be counted as one of those strikers - he isn't one, at least anymore.
We also need a first choice LCB.
We also need cover for Jones at RWB and cover for Giles at LWB (if Bola leaves), unless there is real confidence in the youngsters.
We need very strong competition for Howson who will not play 46 matches at the standard required.

Wilder said ten or eleven signings. In Roberts, Lenihan and Giles we have 3 good recruits. It would appear Steffen will complete the goalkeeping roster, so that's 4 signings.
There have to be 7 more as above.
3xST, LCB, DCM, LWB cover, RWB cover.
 
exeterboro said:
The RWB, will be a backup choice when they try to pick up a bargain. LCB it would be great if Gibson came back, who knows if we sell Spence for near our valuation then it could happen. I differ with Coburn, he will go out and score goals somewhere I rather he stayed with us and scored them, he will be physically stronger than last year and will have developed as a player.
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I feel it's a gamble keeping Coburn here at present, because it's difficult to predict whether or not he will get much game-time here this coming season.

I'd send him out on loan to either a League 1 or 2 club, where he's more likely to be starting every game and he will hopefully come back an even stronger player.

I guess it depends on who comes in though. If we only bring in two strikers then he will have to stay, but if we bring three strikers in then I really have to question how much game-time he will get.
 
indeedido said:
I honestly think you are crackers.

Parmoboy is spot on.
We still urgently need 3 strikers - and good ones. (Coburn will go out on loan). McGoldrick should not be counted as one of those strikers - he isn't one, at least anymore.
We also need a first choice LCB.
We also need cover for Jones at RWB and cover for Giles at LWB (if Bola leaves), unless there is real confidence in the youngsters.
We need very strong competition for Howson who will not play 46 matches at the standard required.

Wilder said ten or eleven signings. In Roberts, Lenihan and Giles we have 3 good recruits. It would appear Steffen will complete the goalkeeping roster, so that's 4 signings.
There have to be 7 more as above.
3xST, LCB, DCM, LWB cover, RWB cover.
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I'm surprised that so many are advocating the idea of playing McNair, Fry or Lenihan in the LCB position. It would be massive for us to actually have a left-footer playing there.

We know Wilder places a lot of importance on the centre halves overlapping in this system but it's never going to be as effective when you have a right-footer on the left. We saw that last season as McNair often wanted to come inside and it made us unbalanced.
 
I wonder if gayles arrival is just date sensitive. Maybe Hel rock up 1st if July 🤷‍♂️
Lots of clubs haven’t done much so itl have a knock on effect to the rest of us . Right now 2 strikers are the obvious missing links . Wilder will no doubt chop and change to make the squad his own in other areas but it’s a novelty to have 2 wide men right now .

I’m not imagining things am I we do have 2 wide men don’t we 🤔😳
Watmore , crooks and coburn will certainly be better for it .
 
parmoboy said:
I feel it's a gamble keeping Coburn here at present, because it's difficult to predict whether or not he will get much game-time here this coming season.

I'd send him out on loan to either a League 1 or 2 club, where he's more likely to be starting every game and he will hopefully come back an even stronger player.

I guess it depends on who comes in though. If we only bring in two strikers then he will have to stay, but if we bring three strikers in then I really have to question how much game-time he will get.
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The only slight thing I'd add is I'd only let Coburn go to a League One club.
I know Plymouth were very keen and it would be a great move for him for a season. He is much better than going to League 2 IMHO.
 
parmoboy said:
I feel it's a gamble keeping Coburn here at present, because it's difficult to predict whether or not he will get much game-time here this coming season.

I'd send him out on loan to either a League 1 or 2 club, where he's more likely to be starting every game and he will hopefully come back an even stronger player.

I guess it depends on who comes in though. If we only bring in two strikers then he will have to stay, but if we bring three strikers in then I really have to question how much game-time he will get.
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Send him to Ipswich as part of a deal for Simpson and Simpson and go out on loan some where aswell
 
3 strikers - I'd be happy with Mcgoldrick, Gayle and "one other" but id really like us to push the boat out on the "one other".

We need a left footed, left sided centre back - unless wilder is happy for Lenihan to play there, he did mention in a recent interview he can play all three of the defensive positions and has played midfield earlier in his career so is comfortable on the ball.

A Cover/rotation option for howson - Howson was great last season, but the ability to rest him or sub him will help protect his legs for later in the season, especially with having 5 subs. Also against the bigger teams might be better to have an option to bring another sitter on.

Defensive cover - assuming Bola, Hall and Fisher are moved on we would be left with Fry, Lenihan, Mcnair and Dijksteel for the 3 defensive positions. Need at least 1 maybe 2 in there, unless any of the u23 lads are deemed good enough.
 
parmoboy said:
I'm surprised that so many are advocating the idea of playing McNair, Fry or Lenihan in the LCB position. It would be massive for us to actually have a left-footer playing there.

We know Wilder places a lot of importance on the centre halves overlapping in this system but it's never going to be as effective when you have a right-footer on the left. We saw that last season as McNair often wanted to come inside and it made us unbalanced.
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I completely agree - I did just post about wilder saying in interview Lenihan can play all three defensive positions so wonder if he is lining him up for LCB.

I think Mcnair will have a huge season personally as the overlapping RCB - the position in Wilders system is talior made for him. (although this will be harsh on dijksteel)
 
indeedido said:
I honestly think you are crackers.

Parmoboy is spot on.
We still urgently need 3 strikers - and good ones. (Coburn will go out on loan). McGoldrick should not be counted as one of those strikers - he isn't one, at least anymore.
We also need a first choice LCB.
We also need cover for Jones at RWB and cover for Giles at LWB (if Bola leaves), unless there is real confidence in the youngsters.
We need very strong competition for Howson who will not play 46 matches at the standard required.

Wilder said ten or eleven signings. In Roberts, Lenihan and Giles we have 3 good recruits. It would appear Steffen will complete the goalkeeping roster, so that's 4 signings.
There have to be 7 more as above.
3xST, LCB, DCM, LWB cover, RWB cover.
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Probably am crackers👍
We are all expecting Spence to go, but on the off chance he doesn't then we are looking at strikers which may be a bit cheaper. I think the four names are stronger than what we had last season,which wouldn't be harder to be fair. I expect Duncan to be better after having a full season and not picking up a big injury, and Josh is definitely going to be better, I expect advancements in his play. Then it comes down do we think DG and DM are better than the two Loanees last year. Imo there is at least 20 more goals in that 4 than last year + with other improvements in the team for creating chances from both flanks.
 
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