So they do want a fight then -new anti strike laws

Randy said:
The Corona virus bill was the tester. You know the same bill that said they could legally knock down non compliant buildings for example.

Was voted straight through parliament.

The warning signs were all there.
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I said much the same at the time. This and enforced vaccinations for health workers that many on this forum agreed with. It's a deliberate attempt to push the overton window to the right.
 
Norman_Conquest said:
It sounds like they are taking the p1ss and have no interest in resolving these strikes. It is time the whole country came out as one and down tools.

https://twitter.com/x/status/1612424975750668289
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Makes my blood boil 🤬
Government also holding talks with the RMT today, so let’s see if they are as insulting as the NHS talks.
I honestly believe the Tories are biting off more than they can chew in continuing this fight.
 
FabioPorkpie said:
Makes my blood boil 🤬
Government also holding talks with the RMT today, so let’s see if they are as insulting as the NHS talks.
I honestly believe the Tories are biting off more than they can chew in continuing this fight.
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Junior doctors are balloting to go out on strike and we have nurses, ambulance drivers, driving examiners and bus drivers all striking. This is all on top of the rail strikes and the likelihood of strikes by teachers.

The Tories are doing a good job and anyone who voted for them must be over the moon with the outcome. :mad: :mad: :mad:
 
Norman_Conquest said:
It sounds like they are taking the p1ss and have no interest in resolving these strikes. It is time the whole country came out as one and down tools.

https://twitter.com/x/status/1612424975750668289
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Frightening it really is.

I've been involved with the Civil Service pay remit guidance before and basically what that does is set out the criteria departments need to meet to increase pay above the figure set out by HMT in the spending review.

The criteria is predominantly around finding productivity or "efficiency" savings in order to pay staff more.

Sounds like they've used those principles as their basis for the discussions with the unions today. The obvious problem with that is there are only so many productivity or efficiency savings to be made. You can't keep making them year after year without any other investment.

That's what government departments are now finding and I'd imagine it's even more true for the NHS.

The fact they've gone into these negotiations with that stance tells you everything about this government. No imagination, no flexibility of thinking, no ability to compromise. The same old tired "solutions" to problems the Tories have been relying on for a decade.

And of course this current shower are about as incapable as the Tories have had running things. They seem permanently confused the world isn't just bending to their will.

As I say, it's frightening.
 
festa5 said:
Frightening it really is.

I've been involved with the Civil Service pay remit guidance before and basically what that does is set out the criteria departments need to meet to increase pay above the figure set out by HMT in the spending review.

The criteria is predominantly around finding productivity or "efficiency" savings in order to pay staff more.

Sounds like they've used those principles as their basis for the discussions with the unions today. The obvious problem with that is there are only so many productivity or efficiency savings to be made. You can't keep making them year after year without any other investment.

That's what government departments are now finding and I'd imagine it's even more true for the NHS.

The fact they've gone into these negotiations with that stance tells you everything about this government. No imagination, no flexibility of thinking, no ability to compromise. The same old tired "solutions" to problems the Tories have been relying on for a decade.

And of course this current shower are about as incapable as the Tories have had running things. They seem permanently confused the world isn't just bending to their will.

As I say, it's frightening.
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It really is frightening, and you know that they will sell it to the Tory faithful as we made offers that the unions turned down.

The only way I could see the ambulance service increasing productivity is by dumping patients in the car park instead of waiting for an empty bed for them.

This is what happens when you don't invest in something. These charlatans are playing the long game, they will run the NHS down, sell it off for peanuts to their mates and personally make a fortune from it.
 
Norman_Conquest said:
It really is frightening, and you know that they will sell it to the Tory faithful as we made offers that the unions turned down.

The only way I could see the ambulance service increasing productivity is by dumping patients in the car park instead of waiting for an empty bed for them.

This is what happens when you don't invest in something. These charlatans are playing the long game, they will run the NHS down, sell it off for peanuts to their mates and personally make a fortune from it.
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I don't think they even fully understand what "productivity" means in the context.

Apparently Barclay asked the unions to "help him make the case to treasury for more money". Mind boggling. 🤯
 
An inevitability since 2016. Human rights, rights to protest, rights to strike - all have been under attack since then. Couple that with the corruption, fraud, cost of living rises (again Brexit to thank for that) and criminal reduction in funding across all public services and I reckon you've got the perfect storm for something quite disastrous in the not too distant.

You'll still have a big section of the working class voting for them though. Crackers.
 
Laughing said:
I said much the same at the time. This and enforced vaccinations for health workers that many on this forum agreed with. It's a deliberate attempt to push the overton window to the right.
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Still agree with mandatory vaccinations for health workers mind. Makes sense
 

Fire Brigades Union calls for 'mass movement of resistance' against anti-strikes bill​

The anti-strikes bill being published today is aimed particularly at firefighters. Fire and rescue is one of the areas where minimum service levels will definitely be set; in other areas, the government says mandatory MSLs will just be a last resort, because it is hoping the voluntary agreements can be reached. (See 9.21am.)

Matt Wrack, the general secretary of the Fire Brigades Union, said the bill was a “shameful attack” on democratic rights and he called for a “mass movement of resistance” against it. He said:

This represents one of the most shameful attacks on the democratic rights and liberties of working people in decades …
This is an attack on all workers – including key workers, who kept our public services going during the pandemic.
It’s an attack on Britain’s Covid heroes and on all workers. We need a mass movement of resistance to this authoritarian attack.
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SmallTown said:
Still agree with mandatory vaccinations for health workers mind. Makes sense
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Only it didn't other than lose staff from the care industry for the legislation to be reversed weeks later when it should have been applied to nurses and doctors. It's one of the reasons that we are where we are with hospitals.
 
Laughing said:
Only it didn't other than lose staff from the care industry for the legislation to be reversed weeks later when it should have been applied to nurses and doctors. It's one of the reasons that we are where we are with hospitals.
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Brexit. That's the problem with short staffing of the NHS. Not wanting people who give car to also not spread disease
 
SmallTown said:
Brexit. That's the problem with short staffing of the NHS. Not wanting people who give car to also not spread disease
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If you say so. I suppose the hundreds of care staff that were fired because they wouldn't get vaccinated are my imagination.
 
sherlock1969 said:
Small numbers compared to those lost because of Brexit.
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Just read an article and they're are no real numbers but the nursing times estimated thousands.

However that's not really the point I made. I said mandatory vaccinations were a bad idea because they cost the social care industry a lot of staff and was reversed because it couldn't be forced on doctors and nurses. It was a complete shambles of an idea and implemented so crassly.

It was a tory push of the Overton window. No more no less.
 
Anyone who votes Tory from a working class town after this legislation is a turncoat and a disgrace to their community. How can you support this level of destruction to basic hard-fought workers rights? This coupled with the new voting laws designed to alienate working class people highlights the disdain they have for us.
Legitimate question to the Tory leaning posters on this board; will you still vote Tory knowing what they are doing to the working class? Do you support curtailing the right to strike and the making it harder to vote?
 
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